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Posted: Jan 24, 2018 - 8:27am

 miamizsun wrote:

so you're hard wired to be hard headed and hard headed about being hard wired?

ok, sounds like we've got a lot in common...

i just don't have any place to hide wires

if possible i'd like decent sounding gear that's smart and wireless

supposedly sonos is coming out with google assistant built in very soon (they currently have alexa)

i think the cost is like $35-40 more per speaker, similar to what i'd pay for googlecast (an external eyesore)

if i ever build again, i'm going to wire the hell out of mi casa
 
Ha! Yes indeed. We're on RP, where everyone is strange but not a stranger...

Yes, we moved to a much larger house, it even has a dedicated audio closet. I bought a used server rack and some shelves, so I can turn the whole thing around, wire it, and rotate it back. Haven't pulled the trigger on any modern gear yet though, S-Video is the most sophisticated input on my old Yamaha. Our audio friend recommends a Denon receiver, but I haven't checked the specs. Seems like audio quality is a moving target anymore, more so than in the past.

The attic is spray-foamed on the roof side, and the A/C-furnace partially conditions it, so the attic is pleasant even on a 100-degree day. And not cramped at all: the house looks two-story but it's actually just attic. Running wires will be a snap.

Previous owner put Polk speakers in the walls and ceiling, but only in the main room. Good but not fantastic. I'm looking into adding boxes over the ceiling speakers to improve the bass. Some say it helps, others say it depends on the speaker design. Easy to try though, I might just drop a home depot bucket over one and see how it sounds. Others have made MDF boxes and sealed them tight to the drywall, so I may try that whenever I get the table saw set up again.

But yeah, if we were still in the old house I'd be looking at wireless. The new digs are great. We miss the old house but it was time to move on.
c.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2018 - 6:32am

 black321 wrote:

if i recall you have audioengine speakers, right?  they have a very good, "cd quality" wireless setup.  I currently use that setup for my backyard...works nice although there is the occasional drop out.  I think its about 150 for one sender and receiver, and then maybe 80 more for each other receiver...of course they also have wireless speakers. 

 
yes i do

they're wired to home pc rig in my spare bedroom/office/man space

powered A5s and they do rock

and i'm aware of their wireless (it got great reviews)

i'd like to think i'm looking from a convenience, cost and convergence standpoint

the quality and portability are nice too

i do remember reading one thing about the google casting tech - it's a fully formed giant killer

google's speakers, not so much

sonos has made the decision to partner not compete with amazon, google, etc. on this particular tech

i think others will follow (if they haven't already)
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Posted: Jan 24, 2018 - 6:18am

 miamizsun wrote:

so you're hard wired to be hard headed and hard headed about being hard wired?

ok, sounds like we've got a lot in common...

i just don't have any place to hide wires

if possible i'd like decent sounding gear that's smart and wireless

supposedly sonos is coming out with google assistant built in very soon (they currently have alexa)

i think the cost is like $35-40 more per speaker, similar to what i'd pay for googlecast (an external eyesore)

if i ever build again, i'm going to wire the hell out of mi casa
 
if i recall you have audioengine speakers, right?  they have a very good, "cd quality" wireless setup.  I currently use that setup for my backyard...works nice although there is the occasional drop out.  I think its about 150 for one sender and receiver, and then maybe 80 more for each other receiver...of course they also have wireless speakers. 
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Posted: Jan 24, 2018 - 5:53am

 cc_rider wrote:
Maybe I'm just too old-school, but I want my audio hard-wired. Mostly because I cannot STAND dropouts while I'm listening. I'll sacrifice some audio quality if necessary, but random dropouts drive me nuts. I know Bill works hard to keep RP rock solid, I appreciate it.

Fortunately, at a recent house-cleaning sale, I scored a Niles whole-house distribution amp. And our attic is not only easily accessible, but partially conditioned as well. I'm going to gradually add speakers everywhere. Parts Express carries Dayton, they are a good value for places like patios, workshops, etc. where audio quality will never be that great no matter how much you spend.

I finally hooked up the B&O mini-towers my folks left when they downsized, I'm running them in my office off the computer. They are self-powered and cool-looking, good audio. I'm trying to figure out if I can use the proprietary B&O cabling to daisy-chain the B&O subwoofer into them. B&O is a bit too proud of their stuff, but I got it for nothing so I can't complain. But sometimes I still do.
c.

 
so you're hard wired to be hard headed and hard headed about being hard wired?

ok, sounds like we've got a lot in common...

i just don't have any place to hide wires

if possible i'd like decent sounding gear that's smart and wireless

supposedly sonos is coming out with google assistant built in very soon (they currently have alexa)

i think the cost is like $35-40 more per speaker, similar to what i'd pay for googlecast (an external eyesore)

if i ever build again, i'm going to wire the hell out of mi casa

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Posted: Jan 23, 2018 - 9:21am

Maybe I'm just too old-school, but I want my audio hard-wired. Mostly because I cannot STAND dropouts while I'm listening. I'll sacrifice some audio quality if necessary, but random dropouts drive me nuts. I know Bill works hard to keep RP rock solid, I appreciate it.

Fortunately, at a recent house-cleaning sale, I scored a Niles whole-house distribution amp. And our attic is not only easily accessible, but partially conditioned as well. I'm going to gradually add speakers everywhere. Parts Express carries Dayton, they are a good value for places like patios, workshops, etc. where audio quality will never be that great no matter how much you spend.

I finally hooked up the B&O mini-towers my folks left when they downsized, I'm running them in my office off the computer. They are self-powered and cool-looking, good audio. I'm trying to figure out if I can use the proprietary B&O cabling to daisy-chain the B&O subwoofer into them. B&O is a bit too proud of their stuff, but I got it for nothing so I can't complain. But sometimes I still do.
c.
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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 - 4:11am

 Lazy8 wrote:
Would love to have a Raspberry Pi set up as a media server, mostly to spool tunes off the NAS and RP and Chromecast video (mostly from Kodi) to the idiot box, but also to log a weather station and do nightly backups.

I'd also love to have a household AI—like an Amazon Echo but one that works for me, not Jeff Bezos. If it ran the lights I'd name it Aziz.

Somebody get on this! I need to get to the future.
 
i'm forbidden to enter certain areas at work, like the research vault

but i cracked the door and fired a flare to get their attention

i'll let you know what they come back with...

edit: 

looks like this

Create commands to control online services & devices

You can create your own commands for your Google Assistant using IFTTT. See services and devices you can control.

IFTTT is a separate company from Google. The name stands for "If this, then that." 

For example, if you say:

  • "It’s time to wake up," then your automated coffee maker turns on
  • "Tell my friends I'm going sailing," then a status update is posted to your social network

Together, your custom phrase and action is called an Applet. To create an IFTTT Applet or use ones that other people have created, follow the steps below.

more...



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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 8:51pm

Would love to have a Raspberry Pi set up as a media server, mostly to spool tunes off the NAS and RP and Chromecast video (mostly from Kodi) to the idiot box, but also to log a weather station and do nightly backups.

I'd also love to have a household AI—like an Amazon Echo but one that works for me, not Jeff Bezos. If it ran the lights I'd name it Aziz.

Somebody get on this! I need to get to the future.


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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 8:51pm

 kurtster wrote: 
Thanks. From the blurb on that page. So it's not a computer...and I am not a rapper

Using industry-leading 1GHz ARM Cortex A9 multicore processors, Vault 2 boasts 32-bit architecture combined with 8x oversampling DAC platforms to ensure lossless high-res music playback is flawless, with precision and clarity at any volume.

Built-In Internet Radio, aptX Bluetooth, and Instant Access to High-Res Music Services 
Instantly access millions of songs. Premium high-res music services like TIDAL, Spotify, Rdio and Qobuz, as well as virtually all other popular music services and Internet radio stations, are already built-in to the aptX Bluetooth-equipped Vault 2. Access your downloads and your entire iTunes library (or any other USB NAS drive connected) all without ever turning on a computer.


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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 8:35pm

 haresfur wrote:

Why not buy a cheap PC with a big hard drive?

 
Yep. I'm using one of my three legacy macs as the iTunes player (and can operate it remotely with the Remote app on my iPhone) and then I have it connected to a big outboard hard drive. (Two, since one's a backup). That connects with AirPlay nicely to a handful of small speakers through the house. <- They're dying, which is why I'm wondering about using my existing Ethernet outlets to plug in speakers somehow instead of doing it wirelessly.

Then I use RogueAmoeba's Nicecast and No-IP to send the output over the internet tubes.
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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 2:18pm

 haresfur wrote:

RP is available on Sonos

 
Not FLAC (should have qualified that).  But Bill has indicated it's in the works.


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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 1:44pm

 jbuhl wrote:
Lots of recent press out there about Chromecast messing with peoples WiFi networks.    Now that I have been playing with Airplay I would not want to use it long term either.  As soon as RP is available on Sonos I am decommissioning the Airplay.   Also, I don't see how anybody can tolerate using iTunes.

 
RP is available on Sonos
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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 1:38pm

Lots of recent press out there about Chromecast messing with peoples WiFi networks.    Now that I have been playing with Airplay I would not want to use it long term either.  As soon as RP is available on Sonos I am decommissioning the Airplay.   Also, I don't see how anybody can tolerate using iTunes.
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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 12:08pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Streams RP!

This product is not currently available for online purchase in your area. (USA)


 
Why not buy a cheap PC with a big hard drive?
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Posted: Jan 16, 2018 - 10:34am

 Steely_D wrote:
jbuhl wrote:

Some NAS don't need to be physically connected to the router.  Once configured they run as a node on your wireless network.  If I were you I would look at a Bluesound Vault.  Spendy but then you get access to music streaming, Full HD 24/196 capability, Reasonable quality DAC implementation and even MQA which is coming down the pipe.

Streams RP!

This product is not currently available for online purchase in your area. (USA)


 
You just didn't look hard enough

BLUESOUND - Vault 2 Digital Music Player/Ripper/Storage Drive
Network Player

Meanwhile I was looking around earlier regarding miami's original question and stumbled on this.  

The best Wi-Fi speakers and music systems of 2018

Seem's that googlecast might be the best way to go with the need for working with files.  I remember reading that it was the best overall for working with files, but it had some shortcomings in other areas.  That was a year or so ago.

y'all


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Posted: Jan 15, 2018 - 6:14pm

 jbuhl wrote:

Some NAS don't need to be physically connected to the router.  Once configured they run as a node on your wireless network.  If I were you I would look at a Bluesound Vault.  Spendy but then you get access to music streaming, Full HD 24/196 capability, Reasonable quality DAC implementation and even MQA which is coming down the pipe.

 
Thanks. Now I got some googling to do. {#Cheers}
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Posted: Jan 15, 2018 - 10:18am

 SeriousLee wrote:
All this talk got me thinking. I have close to 350GB of music on my PC. If I want to access that with my smartphone or iPod Touch to stream it to my wireless speakers, do I just need a NAS drive, copy all the songs over and plug it in my router? {#Cheers}

 
Some NAS don't need to be physically connected to the router.  Once configured they run as a node on your wireless network.  If I were you I would look at a Bluesound Vault.  Spendy but then you get access to music streaming, Full HD 24/196 capability, Reasonable quality DAC implementation and even MQA which is coming down the pipe.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 11:23am

All this talk got me thinking. I have close to 350GB of music on my PC. If I want to access that with my smartphone or iPod Touch to stream it to my wireless speakers, do I just need a NAS drive, copy all the songs over and plug it in my router? {#Cheers}
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Posted: Jan 14, 2018 - 10:47am

after some coffee and research i think i might have a solution

smart speakers (like sonos with alexa and google) have much more flexibility

to work alone, in a group and to access media via an app and/or cloud service

i like the convenience of rp and other stations/podcasts

but what about my personal music stash/playlists?

google allows you to upload 50,000 of your songs for free through their music service

you can grab stuff from itunes and others and upload them directly to google play music library

so if i have powered speakers that connect through wifi or ethernet/rj 45

i can access (via the web) my music playlists or other streaming service

voice command too

seems like it would be a lot easier 

am i missing something?

short 11 min video here that a caveman could follow



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Posted: Jan 13, 2018 - 2:19pm

 swell_sailor wrote:

I've been using an iMac as a dedicated music server since 2005. In 2014 I inherited my Mother's 2009 iMac which replaced the 2005 iMac.

I have a couple of old receivers and spare bookshelf speakers, which made it easy to buy an extra Express or 3 to stream to multiple areas around the house. In addition to the main listening room I have an Express with music in my office, my garage, and my work shed. I can stream to all at once, synchronized. An Express with powered speakers like Audio Engine would work as well. Or if you have a spare set of bookshelf speakers but no amp you can combine an Express with a small/inexpensive Class T amp. There's also a new generation of Airplay speakers. 

Recent upgrades to the IOS allow iPads and iPhones to stream to multiple Airplay devices at once as well. 

For high resolution music from the iMac to the main system I've run a boosted usb cable into the crawl space and back up to my media center 20 feet away. I use Decibel, which is cheap, to send a high resolution digital steam to the DAC in my main system. 

There are lots of ways to do this. I like having the computer interface as compared to an ios device or streamer/server audio device that sits on the shelf with the rest of the system. The iMac makes a great server/streamer. 

And hi everyone.  

 
{#Wave}

Currently I use a my Retina Pro as the main workstation but my music is coming from my 27" 2009 iMac that I've gutted and replaced the CD drive and old HD with two SSDs I had, making a 750G Fusion drive. That's hooked to two external drives where I keep my music stash and its backup.
And there's the ATV hooked up to the 7.1 system - but that's only in one room. I want it through the house, too, no matter what my wife says.

I had two Audyssey Lower East Side Audio Dock Airplay speakers in the house but they're starting to hiss and sputter like they've outlived their usefulness - hence my question about hooking up speakers through my extant Cat 6 Ethernet ports.

I have some now-ancient Airport Expresses, but they seem to screw with the stability of my wireless network.
There's an Airport Extreme/external hard drive in the house that's my TimeMachine backup, and I have a couple of old laptops in the closet that I'm not sure what to do with. Once has a badly cracked screen, so I could use it as my music server but the iMac is much more convenient. 


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Posted: Jan 13, 2018 - 1:52pm

 Steely_D wrote:
While we're at it: I have an ethernet cat 6 port in most of my rooms, and I've been seeing some mention that you can use ethernet as a way of putting in remote speakers. But Google-fu is weak on this except for in-wall speakers. I'm thinking of plug-play ones like the ones that are typically red/black wire.

Am I misinterpreting or do those exist? Right now I have a few rooms with single AirPlay speakers in them, which works nice, but they're starting to hiss and die. (Had em for years, but still...)

Anyway, the goal is to have my iMac running my music files and get synchronized multiple small speakers through the house, kinda like when you walk around Disneyland: no one giant loud speaker, but small satellites so it's quiet - but everywhere. Using AirPlay at the moment, and not wanting to go Sonos unless there's a really good reason. 

 

I've been using an iMac as a dedicated music server since 2005. In 2014 I inherited my Mother's 2009 iMac which replaced the 2005 iMac.

I have a couple of old receivers and spare bookshelf speakers, which made it easy to buy an extra Express or 3 to stream to multiple areas around the house. In addition to the main listening room I have an Express with music in my office, my garage, and my work shed. I can stream to all at once, synchronized. An Express with powered speakers like Audio Engine would work as well. Or if you have a spare set of bookshelf speakers but no amp you can combine an Express with a small/inexpensive Class T amp. There's also a new generation of Airplay speakers. 

Recent upgrades to the IOS allow iPads and iPhones to stream to multiple Airplay devices at once as well. 

For high resolution music from the iMac to the main system I've run a boosted usb cable into the crawl space and back up to my media center 20 feet away. I use Decibel, which is cheap, to send a high resolution digital steam to the DAC in my main system. 

There are lots of ways to do this. I like having the computer interface as compared to an ios device or streamer/server audio device that sits on the shelf with the rest of the system. The iMac makes a great server/streamer. 

And hi everyone.  




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