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Posted: Jan 11, 2018 - 9:23am

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How Rural America Got Milked

I'm confused as to how the coop profits are distributed. Do they actually send money back to the farmers or is it a ponzi scheme of perpetual growth? Does it go back based on size of the operation or just on membership? Don't the farmers appoint the board? Seems like a perverse outcome, though.


 
this is the key point of the article, and why the small guys are getting screwed...the coop no longer just acts as a distributor of dairy, but has expanded vertically throughout the supply chain, and these $ are retained and not returned to members:

"According to its 2016 financial statement, 60 percent of DFA’s net income that year came from “non-member business earnings,” none of which was shared with members."
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Posted: Jan 10, 2018 - 3:54pm

How Rural America Got Milked

I'm confused as to how the coop profits are distributed. Do they actually send money back to the farmers or is it a ponzi scheme of perpetual growth? Does it go back based on size of the operation or just on membership? Don't the farmers appoint the board? Seems like a perverse outcome, though.

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Posted: Oct 10, 2017 - 5:43am

Richard Thaler Wins Economics Nobel for Recognizing People Are Irrational


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Posted: Jan 2, 2017 - 11:27am

Bubble, bubble, headed for trouble?
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Posted: Dec 16, 2016 - 10:01am

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While true, this is a bit misleading when it comes to consequences. Japan and Chine own ~2.5 trillion in US treasury debt. Other nations hold another 3 and change trillion. So while 76 Billion is a lot, it's only 3%. The sum total of all the moves last year is about 5%. It's certainly a re balance and statement on their confidence (especially considering the recent escalation), but it's not like they are dumping debt. The US still controls ~13 trillion of our debt. That's money owed internally. It's a lot, it's problematic, but given the state of the global economy it's not even that unexpected.  If anyone wants to unload their T-bills because they think they are "worthless IOUs" please contact me ASAP, we can work out a deal. 

 
the consequences are rates are up over 1% in the last couple months, and climbing.  I'm no bond expert, but when a top holder dumps more than 10% of their position and shows no sign of changing...
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Posted: Dec 16, 2016 - 8:51am

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Everyone's watching the stock market, but what about the bond market?  Not so good over there.  Is the US losing the support of its largest creditor?   With Trumps plans to boost spending and cut taxes, whose gonna bail the US out?

Negative $18.3 billion — That’s the amount of Treasury bonds and notes bought in October, according to fresh data from the U.S. Treasury Department. In other words, “private” foreign investors sold $18.3 billion more than they bought, explains Wolf Street’s Wolf Richter.China was the biggest seller, he says...And “official” foreign investors, which include central banks, dumped a net $45.3 billion in Treasury bonds and notes. Combined, they unloaded $63.5 billion in October. In September, these foreign entities had already dumped a record $76.6 billion. They have now dumped Treasury paper for seven months in a row. Over the past 12 months through October, they unloaded $318.2 billion.


 
While true, this is a bit misleading when it comes to consequences. Japan and Chine own ~2.5 trillion in US treasury debt. Other nations hold another 3 and change trillion. So while 76 Billion is a lot, it's only 3%. The sum total of all the moves last year is about 5%. It's certainly a re balance and statement on their confidence (especially considering the recent escalation), but it's not like they are dumping debt. The US still controls ~13 trillion of our debt. That's money owed internally. It's a lot, it's problematic, but given the state of the global economy it's not even that unexpected.  If anyone wants to unload their T-bills because they think they are "worthless IOUs" please contact me ASAP, we can work out a deal. 


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Posted: Dec 16, 2016 - 8:34am

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China is selling, and Japan is buying.

 
Japan is selling too, but at a slower rate. 
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Posted: Dec 16, 2016 - 8:07am

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Everyone's watching the stock market, but what about the bond market?  Not so good over there.  Is the US losing the support of its largest creditor?   With Trumps plans to boost spending and cut taxes, whose gonna bail the US out?

Negative $18.3 billion — That’s the amount of Treasury bonds and notes bought in October, according to fresh data from the U.S. Treasury Department. In other words, “private” foreign investors sold $18.3 billion more than they bought, explains Wolf Street’s Wolf Richter.China was the biggest seller, he says...And “official” foreign investors, which include central banks, dumped a net $45.3 billion in Treasury bonds and notes. Combined, they unloaded $63.5 billion in October. In September, these foreign entities had already dumped a record $76.6 billion. They have now dumped Treasury paper for seven months in a row. Over the past 12 months through October, they unloaded $318.2 billion.


 
China is selling, and Japan is buying.
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Posted: Dec 16, 2016 - 6:26am

Everyone's watching the stock market, but what about the bond market?  Not so good over there.  Is the US losing the support of its largest creditor?   With Trumps plans to boost spending and cut taxes, whose gonna bail the US out?

Negative $18.3 billion — That’s the amount of Treasury bonds and notes bought in October, according to fresh data from the U.S. Treasury Department. In other words, “private” foreign investors sold $18.3 billion more than they bought, explains Wolf Street’s Wolf Richter.China was the biggest seller, he says...And “official” foreign investors, which include central banks, dumped a net $45.3 billion in Treasury bonds and notes. Combined, they unloaded $63.5 billion in October. In September, these foreign entities had already dumped a record $76.6 billion. They have now dumped Treasury paper for seven months in a row. Over the past 12 months through October, they unloaded $318.2 billion.

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Posted: Jun 7, 2016 - 1:09pm

Fascinating article.

The Invisible Helping Hand 
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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 2:11pm

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aflanigan wrote:
Without going into the merits of your theory, prices and employment are two different things.

Of course. That's why, when you support a policy regardless of its consequences, you pick the metric that obscures those consequences.

Ultimately it's really too early to tell in this experiment (which is why the word "initial" is at the beginning of the headline, and this caveat was pretty clear in the article) whether the pessimistic predictions of price inflation and/or job loss are accurate, and what happens in one area may not be expandable to different areas or the entire country.

When the data isn't going your way it's always too early to tell.

 
Nice to see that you're keeping an open mind while pretending to be able to read everyone else's.
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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 1:17pm

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Without going into the merits of your theory, prices and employment are two different things.

Of course. That's why, when you support a policy regardless of its consequences, you pick the metric that obscures those consequences.

Ultimately it's really too early to tell in this experiment (which is why the word "initial" is at the beginning of the headline, and this caveat was pretty clear in the article) whether the pessimistic predictions of price inflation and/or job loss are accurate, and what happens in one area may not be expandable to different areas or the entire country.

When the data isn't going your way it's always too early to tell.
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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 12:57pm

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You do know the difference between apples and oranges, right?

Employers are engaging in wage arbitrage, shifting low-skill work out of high-cost areas. Raising prices isn't the only strategy to cope with rising labor costs without a corresponding rise in productivity; you can reorganize to minimize the labor content of the goods and services you offer. Which lowers low-skill employment.

As happened.

 
Without going into the merits of your theory, prices and employment are two different things.

Ultimately it's really too early to tell in this experiment (which is why the word "initial" is at the beginning of the headline, and this caveat was pretty clear in the article) whether the pessimistic predictions of price inflation and/or job loss are accurate, and what happens in one area may not be expandable to different areas or the entire country.


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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 12:46pm

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You do know the difference between apples and oranges, right?

Employers are engaging in wage arbitrage, shifting low-skill work out of high-cost areas. Raising prices isn't the only strategy to cope with rising labor costs without a corresponding rise in productivity; you can reorganize to minimize the labor content of the goods and services you offer. Which lowers low-skill employment.

As happened.
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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 12:20pm

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i think that depends on who you ask

there's going to be spin on both sides

 
You do know the difference between apples and oranges, right?
 
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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 9:35am

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i think that depends on who you ask

there's going to be spin on both sides

Hey, Seattle! How's that $15 minimum wage working out for ya?

 

How can we be sure that the increase in minimum wage is to blame?  Employment in the neighboring suburbs of the city have hit a record high:

Update: The chart below shows that while the city of Seattle experienced a sharp drop in employment of more than 11,000 jobs between April and December last year (light blue line, BLS data available here), employment in Seattle’s neighboring suburbs outside the city limits (the Seattle MSA jobs less Seattle city jobs) increased over that period by nearly 57,000 jobs and reached a new record high in November 2015 before falling slightly in December.

Bottom Line II: Additional evidence showing that while jobs in the city of Seattle were tanking starting last April, employment in the suburbs surrounding Seattle was increasing steadily to a new record high in November.  That departure in employment trends: job declines inside the city limits of Seattle compared to increasing employment outside the city limits suggests the possibility that the difference in labor costs could have been a contributing factor.

 

 


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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 9:14am

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It's a good thing I was sitting while reading such astonishing news.

 
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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 9:12am

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It's a good thing I was sitting while reading such astonishing news.
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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 9:11am

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Imagine that.
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Posted: Apr 27, 2016 - 9:02am

Early analysis of Seattle’s $15 wage law: Effect on prices minimal one year after implementation


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