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Posted: Aug 11, 2017 - 10:55am

Thanks R_P for the news and analysis on the so-called chemical bombing in Syria.  Did not know but am not surprised.

The 'us and them' line of reasoning in the USA has gone so far over the top that regular folks simply believe that X did Y because "they are evil".  No matter how irrational.


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Posted: Jun 26, 2017 - 11:56pm

Trump‘s Red Line
President Donald Trump ignored important intelligence reports when he decided to attack Syria after he saw pictures of dying children. Seymour M. Hersh investigated the case of the alleged Sarin gas attack.
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Posted: Apr 13, 2017 - 3:34pm

New Revelations Belie Trump Claims on Syria Chemical Attack
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Posted: Apr 13, 2017 - 8:47am

misdirected airstrike..................................
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Posted: Apr 11, 2017 - 7:34pm

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Gabbard draws ire of top Democrats over Syria skepticism


HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) -

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is getting heat from top Democrats for expressing skepticism over whether Syria was behind a recent chemical attack that killed scores and spurred the United States to launch a missile attack on Syrian military targets. 

Howard Dean, Democratic National Committee chairman, said Gabbard's comments were "a disgrace."

"Gabbard should not be in Congress," Dean said, on Twitter. In subsequent interviews, Dean called on Gabbard to resign.

Gabbard also drew the ire of Center for American Progress President Neera Tanden, who called on Hawaii residents to vote the Congresswoman out of office.

"People of Hawaii's 2nd district — was it not enough for you that your rep met with murderous dictator?" Tanden said, on Twitter.

The outrage came after Gabbard, who had previously become one of few Americans to meet with Syrian President Bashar al Assad, said the U.S. can't assume that Syria was behind a chemical attack that killed civilians in northern Syria.


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some video addressing syria here 

 
Back in 2013 (?) when the last major gas attack happened in Syria, I strongly believe Assad was framed and said so then.  This time around, I don't know who did it and don't know who to believe on this one.

That said, Trump had a free shot and took it.  I guess so far though, its nothing more than a parent smacking their kid who keeps running out into traffic from between parked cars just to get their attention in an effort to try and stop them from being stupid and careless.  It doesn't stop the kid from doing what they do and preventing the usual outcome, the kid gets run over. 

This was never going to end well.  I will disagree with anyone who thinks that a happy ending in Syria was ever possible.  The best we can hope for now is that cool heads prevail and Syria does not become another Libya which is basically anarchy on steroids.

 
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Posted: Apr 11, 2017 - 5:07pm

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Nothing more perfectly embodies White America than a 70 year old golfer firing missiles at the Middle East from his country club. Some sticks in the mud probably expect a host of formalities to be gone through before attacking another country: a UN investigation, or congressional approval perhaps, but personally I'm just glad to see a guy with the temperament of a mistreated circus animal launching ballistic missiles on a hunch. It seems statesmanlike and decisive. It's difficult to tell what Syria's moderate rebels are really like, as journalists can't really be embedded with them, because they'd be beheaded. But I refuse to be cynical: there's every chance that Assad's end will see a peaceful, pastoral period for Syria once groups like Allah's Flamethrower and Infidel Abattoir get round the table and good-naturedly sort out their deep seated differences on the finer points of Islamic Law. Perhaps this is a period which Syrians will one day look back on and laugh, if laughter is still allowed.

Not only will Democrats support any war Trump chooses to start, they'll be outraged by any voters who hold it against them at the next election. Hillary Clinton called for the airstrikes immediately before they happened. We'd do well to listen to the woman who is the architect of modern Libya, where her neoliberal intervention introduced the principals of the free market with such clarity that the country now has several different governments competing for the right to kill everybody. Clinton was criticised for running a tone-deaf, aloof campaign but Democrats have rallied, pointing out that many people didn't vote for Hilary because Trump is a Russian spy, and people who didn't vote for Hillary are Russian stooges, and people who voted for Hillary but not very enthusiastically are also Russian stooges, and slowly but surely the goodwill has begun to return.

Personally, I think it would be great if Putin was controlling Trump. I'd love to think there was a rational, malevolent actor directing him rather than just a combination of his own blood sugar levels and the concept of vengeance. I honestly think we'd be in less trouble if he was being controlled by the dark wizard Thoth Amon, or if his body had been taken over by a sentient bacterial civilisation that was using him as a kind of Lifeship. I'm not saying it's impossible that Trump was moved by the plight of Syria's children, perhaps in the same way that Tony Soprano got really upset when that guy killed his horse, it's just that the balance of probabilities is that he doesn't care about them, even enough not to ban them from entering his country.

The Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said that the UK government had close discussions with the US over the few days running up to the attack and had been given "advance notice of the President's final decision". Odd then, that immediately after the chemical attack the Guardian cites Downing Street officials (on a tour of despots with the prime minister in the Middle East) who, when asked about military reprisals, said “nobody is talking about that”. Sort of makes you wonder if there's any contempt that can be shown by the US that will stop us drooling about our "special relationship" like we're some kind of stalker. I doubt the Americans see us as a valued ally. We're just somewhere that they stick a few missiles. My best guess is that they think of us in the way that we would think of a shed.

At the prospect of a war, the media reacted with the exuberant joy that I remember fights bringing to a school playground. War copy sells well, and is easier to write. A good way to get a handle on the media's attitude to conflict is to try to write a thousand words on a United Nations sponsored bilateral negotiation, then the same on a missile cutting a hospital in half. The Guardian exuberantly described the "pinpoint accuracy" of Tomahawks. I'm not sure accuracy is strictly relevant when you're delivering high explosives, the ultimate variable. In the West, we've never needed the military spectaculars favoured by Soviets and dictators; the news has always been our missile parade. On MSNBC the launch of the Tomahawks was repeatedly described as "beautiful". And there is a certain beauty at that point in their trajectory. Perhaps we should focus on some other point. It would be nice to see a shot of them ten seconds before they drop on their screaming victims. Or two days later when bodies are being pulled from the rubble. Maybe a shot from ten years down the line when the shell casings form part of a makeshift gallows, reflected in the glass eye of an implacable amputee warlord. Perhaps our whole fucked up attitude to war comes from only ever seeing our missiles taking off, only ever seeing our soldiers setting out.

Ignoring international law is bad for all sorts of reasons, not least because it's the same position as Assad's. Knowing that our own resolve is only strengthened when people attack us and expecting other people's to be weakened is suggestive of a kind of racism. Pouring arms and bombs into an intractable conflict means that you are happy for it to be prolonged and worsen. Britain's activities in the Middle East historically mean we almost can't imagine what a moral position might look like. We have a huge navy that we could use to pick up the thousands of Syrians, Libyans and others scheduled to drown in the Mediterranean this year, for a fraction of the cost of the bombs we've dropped on them. I wonder if those people know, clambering onto boats with their frightened children, many of whom have never seen the sea before and will never see land again, that we aggressively tune out images like this, should they ever reach us at all. That we see all these lives we could save as part of a chaotic, insoluble mess, better not thought about; we who focus so intently on the sleek, clear lines of bombs.

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Posted: Apr 11, 2017 - 12:28pm

Sean Spicer Justifies Syria Strike By Claiming Hitler — Who Gassed Millions — Didn’t Use Chemical Weapons
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Posted: Apr 11, 2017 - 8:59am

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Gabbard draws ire of top Democrats over Syria skepticism


HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) -

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is getting heat from top Democrats for expressing skepticism over whether Syria was behind a recent chemical attack that killed scores and spurred the United States to launch a missile attack on Syrian military targets. 

Howard Dean, Democratic National Committee chairman, said Gabbard's comments were "a disgrace."

"Gabbard should not be in Congress," Dean said, on Twitter. In subsequent interviews, Dean called on Gabbard to resign.

Gabbard also drew the ire of Center for American Progress President Neera Tanden, who called on Hawaii residents to vote the Congresswoman out of office.

"People of Hawaii's 2nd district — was it not enough for you that your rep met with murderous dictator?" Tanden said, on Twitter.

The outrage came after Gabbard, who had previously become one of few Americans to meet with Syrian President Bashar al Assad, said the U.S. can't assume that Syria was behind a chemical attack that killed civilians in northern Syria.


edit

via antiwar.com

some video addressing syria here 

 




I love Gabbard, she should be a Libertarian, Democrats can't stand her so she must be doing something right! lol
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Posted: Apr 11, 2017 - 8:38am

{#Neutral}

Gabbard draws ire of top Democrats over Syria skepticism


HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) -

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is getting heat from top Democrats for expressing skepticism over whether Syria was behind a recent chemical attack that killed scores and spurred the United States to launch a missile attack on Syrian military targets. 

Howard Dean, Democratic National Committee chairman, said Gabbard's comments were "a disgrace."

"Gabbard should not be in Congress," Dean said, on Twitter. In subsequent interviews, Dean called on Gabbard to resign.

Gabbard also drew the ire of Center for American Progress President Neera Tanden, who called on Hawaii residents to vote the Congresswoman out of office.

"People of Hawaii's 2nd district — was it not enough for you that your rep met with murderous dictator?" Tanden said, on Twitter.

The outrage came after Gabbard, who had previously become one of few Americans to meet with Syrian President Bashar al Assad, said the U.S. can't assume that Syria was behind a chemical attack that killed civilians in northern Syria.


edit

via antiwar.com

some video addressing syria here 
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Posted: Apr 11, 2017 - 12:11am

Syria’s “Voice of Conscience” Yassin al-Haj Saleh has a message for the West
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Posted: Apr 10, 2017 - 3:04pm

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Heard the same.  That was so as to not harm anyone downwind.

I'm looking at this incident as a warning shot (symbolic) more than anything else.  Assad can't be taken out just yet.  His replacement could be much worse or even worse, Syria becomes another Libya.  Its stability and predictability no matter how bad that is over outright chaos.

It changes nothing in Syria, but globally, the game changes which is more important.  Timing is everything.  This was the right thing to do for the right reasons at the right time.
 

 
1) The Russian explanation that the attack hit a rebel gas cache was considered not credible for several reasons including that nerve agents are stored in two parts so an attack won't cause a release. Think about it from a military perspective - in a war the last thing you want is to gas yourself.

2) This knowledge implies of where the nerve agents were stored implies that the US most likely knew Syria was breaking the agreement on getting rid of them and did nothing until civilians were killed.

3) I agree it sounds like a warning shot, but it actually makes the US look weak and it made it harder for the US to operate since the Russians pulled out of the operational agreement to keep both countries from shooting down each other's planes.

I think it actually strengthened Assad's position. 
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Posted: Apr 10, 2017 - 7:25am

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Heard the same.  That was so as to not harm anyone downwind.

I'm looking at this incident as a warning shot (symbolic) more than anything else.  Assad can't be taken out just yet.  His replacement could be much worse or even worse, Syria becomes another Libya.  Its stability and predictability no matter how bad that is over outright chaos.

It changes nothing in Syria, but globally, the game changes which is more important.  Timing is everything.  This was the right thing to do for the right reasons at the right time.
 

 
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  This was the right thing to do for the right reasons at the right time.
 

 
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Posted: Apr 10, 2017 - 4:44am

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Heard they also left the munitions cache's intact but cant find the link so I suppose you take it with a grain of salt. In any case they are already using the airfield to bomb the towns again. Certainly the raid was only symbolic and was insignificant from a military perspective. Make of that what you will.

 
Heard the same.  That was so as to not harm anyone downwind.

I'm looking at this incident as a warning shot (symbolic) more than anything else.  Assad can't be taken out just yet.  His replacement could be much worse or even worse, Syria becomes another Libya.  Its stability and predictability no matter how bad that is over outright chaos.

It changes nothing in Syria, but globally, the game changes which is more important.  Timing is everything.  This was the right thing to do for the right reasons at the right time.
 


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Posted: Apr 9, 2017 - 1:02pm

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i only caught part of it

but it appears jeremy scahill just blistered cnn

i'd say it's unlikely he'll be asked back  {#Lol}
 

Referring to Zakaria, Scahill said "if that guy could have sex with this cruise missile attack, I think he would do it." And Brian Williams, he said, "seemed to be in true love with the cruise missile strike, in a despicable way invoking Leonard Cohen's name." Pressed by Stelter if Zakaria's comments were taken out of context, Scahill said, "Fareed Zakaria was also a major cheerleader for the Iraq War."

Scahill also criticized corporate media for elevating the voices of retired military who may now be personally profiting from continued U.S. warfare.

Also amusing is how champions of rugged individualism feel compelled to talk as a (Borg/Negan) collective...
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Posted: Apr 9, 2017 - 11:18am

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FWIW, we took out 20 warplanes during the op.  Maybe we might want to use the runways ourselves for some reason in the future.  Or we leave the temptation for Assad to keep going ... and when he does he provides us with a reason to really sock it to him.

I dunno, its just what I first thought when I heard that we left the runways intact. 

 
Heard they also left the munitions cache's intact but cant find the link so I suppose you take it with a grain of salt. In any case they are already using the airfield to bomb the towns again. Certainly the raid was only symbolic and was insignificant from a military perspective. Make of that what you will.
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i only caught part of it

but it appears jeremy scahill just blistered cnn

i'd say it's unlikely he'll be asked back  {#Lol}

 
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Posted: Apr 8, 2017 - 9:22am

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"I really believe we should have and still should take out his air fields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop sarin gas on them” Clinton made the comment during an interview with New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof at a women's summit.

 
FWIW, we took out 20 warplanes during the op.  Maybe we might want to use the runways ourselves for some reason in the future.  Or we leave the temptation for Assad to keep going ... and when he does he provides us with a reason to really sock it to him.

I dunno, its just what I first thought when I heard that we left the runways intact. 
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Posted: Apr 8, 2017 - 8:53am

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But her emails! (And wasn't she the warmonger?)

 
"I really believe we should have and still should take out his air fields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop sarin gas on them” Clinton made the comment during an interview with New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof at a women's summit.
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Posted: Apr 8, 2017 - 7:59am

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But her emails! (And wasn't she the warmonger?)

It took Trump 77 days into his presidency to bomb Syria. Hillary was ready on day one.

Tell me again how I wasted my vote by not picking either of these corrupt oligarchs.

 
You'll never hear that from me (as long as you voted). With the supreme court BS, and what looks to be several more years of infighting for little gain, I just keep asking people - "how are those two parties working out for you?".  II can't believe we have to force compromise on some people. I don't think many people live their day to day lives with such rabid alignment to an ideology, so why do they insist on it with our politics.
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