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Posted: Jul 12, 2018 - 10:08am

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Good read.  Spot on, for the most part.  
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Posted: Jul 11, 2018 - 7:13pm

The Wisdom of Serpents
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Posted: Jun 30, 2018 - 12:02pm

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has talent and she is very articulate.

Not sure I like the anti-corporation stance.  Every successful modern rich country with a generous social welfare state is dotted with large corporations.  It is part of a successful, modern economic risk management strategy.  

That includes the Nordic social democracies too.


 
I think her issue with large corporations is similar to my own. When those corporations become so powerful that they make government policy, then we have a problem.
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Posted: Jun 30, 2018 - 10:50am

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has talent and she is very articulate.

Not sure I like the anti-corporation stance.  Every successful modern rich country with a generous social welfare state is dotted with large corporations.  It is part of a successful, modern economic risk management strategy.  

That includes the Nordic social democracies too.

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Posted: Jun 27, 2018 - 11:05am

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And the former bartender won.  
 
Beat(s) the usual moneybags.
 
 

Lobbyists and Business-Friendly Pundits Mourn Democratic Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Victory
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Posted: Jun 27, 2018 - 5:50am

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A Primary Against the Machine: A Bronx Activist Looks to Dethrone Joseph Crowley, the King of Queens
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
"This would be a good time to read our extensive reporting on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the 28-year-old Puerto Rican socialist who just defeated the No. 4 Democrat in the House, Rep. Joe Crowley, in his first primary challenge in 14 years."

And the former bartender won.  


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Posted: Jun 26, 2018 - 8:01pm

A Primary Against the Machine: A Bronx Activist Looks to Dethrone Joseph Crowley, the King of Queens
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
"This would be a good time to read our extensive reporting on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the 28-year-old Puerto Rican socialist who just defeated the No. 4 Democrat in the House, Rep. Joe Crowley, in his first primary challenge in 14 years."
“This race is about people versus money. We’ve got people. They’ve got money,” Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said throughout her campaign.
 
 
Maybe this will get some people in the Democratic Party to wake up.


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Posted: Apr 26, 2018 - 11:57am

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Well, they had Trump™...

 
My point exactly. If the folks that aren't the hard-line right-wing conservatives can't find common ground, the hard right will have enough votes to soldier on.
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Posted: Apr 26, 2018 - 11:06am

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The Republicans are guilty of that inability to have a real leader with vision and charisma, and that led to this:
 
Well, they had Trump™...
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Posted: Apr 26, 2018 - 10:19am

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Hell, yeah. The "resistance" has to get their act together. You can't have fifteen different liberals. Get a vision (balanced budget, reasonable military, support systems for people temporarily down on their luck, infrastructure rebuild, strong education and safety) and pick one freaking person that can represent those ideals.

The Republicans are guilty of that inability to have a real leader with vision and charisma, and that led to this:

 


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Posted: Apr 26, 2018 - 9:31am

Secretly Taped Audio Reveals Democratic Leadership Pressuring Progressive to Leave Race
(...) With Hoyer in Denver, Tillemann met the minority whip at the Hilton Denver Downtown to make the case that the party should stay neutral in the primary and that he had a more plausible path to victory than the same centrism that Coffman had already beaten repeatedly.

Hoyer, however, had his own message he wanted to convey: Tillemann should drop out.

In a frank and wide-ranging conversation, Hoyer laid down the law for Tillemann. The decision, Tillemann was told, had been made long ago. It wasn’t personal, Hoyer insisted, and there was nothing uniquely unfair being done to Tillemann, he explained: This is how the party does it everywhere.

Tillemann had heard the argument before from D.C. insiders and local Democratic bigwigs, all of whom had discouraged him from challenging the establishment favorite. The only difference was that for this conversation, the candidate had his phone set to record.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2018 - 2:42pm

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Has the Clinton Foundation joined the lawsuit? Because clearly they lost millions when Hillary no longer had influence to peddle.
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Posted: Apr 20, 2018 - 2:02pm

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I guess they have their reasons; however, I can't think of any which are logical.  Seems like more Twitter fodder for 45 and talking points for Hannity, etal.
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Posted: Apr 20, 2018 - 1:32pm

Democratic Party files lawsuit alleging Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks conspired to disrupt the 2016 campaign

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Posted: Nov 20, 2017 - 8:48am

 miamizsun wrote:
i guess it begs the question: "when does no mean no?"

and can people remember things differently?

i agree with you both in the sense that it is better to have conversation than not

slippery indeed
 
In a very simplistic way, kids are taught "no doesn't mean no" in every movie where the geek at the dance is initially rejected by the hot girl, but he pushes the envelope somehow and wins her affection. By the "no means no" rule, that second interaction wouldn't happen.

Because on the other side of the coin, girls would be needing to stop adopting the distant/dispassionate approach to getting a guy's attention. See how it gets complicated? "I know how to make him notice you! Just ignore him." So when someone says "go away" are they really saying "keep trying"?

Sheesh.


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Posted: Nov 20, 2017 - 8:45am

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Personally I don't see Franken as anywhere near a male power figure but that's a personal opinion. Another personal opinion is that, in this case, he's an idiot trying to be clever and funny and take advantage of a situation here to indulge something deeper and darker within his personality. That lust thing is a tussle, man. Ain't no joke. As a matter of fact lust spelled in reverse is tusl, so anyway all this is hypocrisy as I see it and we are all a part especially when playing board games with politics and culture...

 




He grabbed this woman close to him during a photo op with her husband there and firmly grabbed her buttocks, fully cupping his hand, not much controversy. Pretty cut and dry here.
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Posted: Nov 20, 2017 - 8:30am

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I tend to mostly always believe the woman myself in these circumstances though I know there are occasionally scam artist looking for a pay day. The way I figure it is the down side of an alleged victim revealing publicly is usually far greater than the upside so I am almost always believing of the victim in these cases. Sexual harassment and assault shouldn't have anything to do with the political persuasion of the offender, but that is just a microcosm of what is so wrong with our political discourse that it does. :-( This should help you guys out since everyone is so fascinated with Franken when I see it as just another male power figure doin' what they do:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/11/20/second-woman-accuses-sen-franken-sexual-misconduct-report/880222001/

 
Personally I don't see Franken as anywhere near a male power figure but that's a personal opinion. Another personal opinion is that, in this case, he's an idiot trying to be clever and funny and take advantage of a situation here to indulge something deeper and darker within his personality. That lust thing is a tussle, man. Ain't no joke. As a matter of fact lust spelled in reverse is tsul, so anyway all this is hypocrisy as I see it and we are all a part especially when playing board games with politics and culture...


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Posted: Nov 20, 2017 - 8:22am

I tend to mostly always believe the woman myself in these circumstances though I know there are occasionally scam artist looking for a pay day. The way I figure it is the down side of an alleged victim revealing publicly is usually far greater than the upside so I am almost always believing of the victim in these cases. Sexual harassment and assault shouldn't have anything to do with the political persuasion of the offender, but that is just a microcosm of what is so wrong with our political discourse that it does. :-( This should help you guys out since everyone is so fascinated with Franken when I see it as just another male power figure doin' what they do:







https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/11/20/second-woman-accuses-sen-franken-sexual-misconduct-report/880222001/








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Posted: Nov 20, 2017 - 7:58am

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I'm uncomfortable too, but it brings up some of the challenges with this series of events. Is there ever a place for shared accountability? Is there a time/place where lecherousness Should be expected - I'm thinking rock stars/groupies here  Maybe to a lesser extent sports stars.  If you go to a hotel room with Gene Simmons,  I'd still say you have the right not to be groped/raped/harrased, but I think there should be some accountability too, I don't think it is reasonable to assume that he's asking you up there for a cup of tea and a chat about stage decorations for the next tour. 

I don't know how to quantify this and balance it out, but especially in circumstances with humans and sex it is a lot more complicated than the very binary choices we are usually presented with. It's more than just who do you believe. I'm willing to assign more of the problem and responsibility  to men because we are obviously more of the problem. But I'm unwilling to say "if men would just control themselves this would all be fine". 

Franken was basically a rock star. He was in the entertainment industry, working in a strange land, in a stressful environment, with people that were apparently testing boundaries/ exploring norms. I think the picture is obviously in poor taste, but a lot of good comedy is in poor taste, and that's what they were doing..  The kiss is a bit worse, but even if it was exactly as she said, while bad I don't think rises to the level of pearl clutching that we are putting towards it. He's a senator now and should be held to a different standard.  But all indications are that he has performed to this higher standard since this incident. Add in here right wing history, other behavior on the tour, and I have a hard time calling for his head now.  

I used to have to occasionally reprimand people at work. It ran the gamut and It was my call on how to handle it. I handled everything from "immediate dismissal, arrange for security and walk them out" to an e-mail saying "you've been late twice this week, get it together".  If I were handling this situation, I'd call Al into my office, close the door so everyone knew it was serious, then say "dude, you know you screwed up right?", he would say "yes, and I'm really sorry. It won't happen again", and I'd say "it better not", then we would spend a few more minutes talking about work bs so everyone knew I was giving the matter serious attention it deserved.   If it were Bill Clinton, I would have fired him on the spot.  If it were Roy Moore, I would have needed security to keep me from getting into more serious trouble.    

Here's where this gets really hard for me - where do we draw the line? And how many lines do we draw? and who gets to decide which side of the line something falls on? And what if something is right on the line?  Because if we say any transgression is wrong (and unforgivable), you'll probably have to just separate men and women completely.   But I want to respect the rights of all people, women especially, and say that you should always have the right to feel safe in your person. I also want people to be responsible for themselves and have accountability for their actions.  So now we have a problem where you can't put three points of a triangle on the same line.  This is the messy complicated world we live in. Absolutes rarely are. 

 
I consider myself a feminist, and what a woman does with her body (including raunchy, crude, suggestive behavior with others) is up to her. And she has every right to act one way towards the people she chooses, while refusing to behave the same way (or accept similar behavior) with/from others. You have to establish some sort of consistency, however, by letting people know you don't welcome certain types of behavior from others, to make it clear that "hey, I know you've seen me kissing/groping/grinding on X, but it's not cool for you to initiate the same thing unless I give you the OK", or something along those lines. Leann Tweeden was 33 when she toured with Franken in 2006. That's old enough to take responsibility for making sure people don't get the wrong signals from how you interact with your peers/group members. From the limited evidence so far (including her version of the skit with Franken and the "rehearsal" kiss), she seems to have had enough self confidence to be able to easily tell someone if they crossed a line. I know she claims she was worried about potential "backlash" on her "broadcasting career" if she spoke up back then, but why not contact Franken personally and complain? Not only that, but she claims that after it happened, she told "others on the tour what Franken had done and they knew how I felt about it", which doesn't exactly gybe with her concern that the story not get out and generate negative backlash/sully her broadcasting reputation. And how much negative backlash would there really have been for someone who used to appear in the pages of flesh magazines? The picture of her fully clothed being "groped" while asleep seems kind of tame compared to anything you might see of her in Maxim or Playboy.

Again, if she wants to pose for such publications, publicly grope fellow performers, and then be outraged over lewd and suggestive behavior aimed her way, she has that right. Doesn't she also have some responsibility to give her peers a clear idea of what the rules for crossing the line are if she want's to hop back and forth over it with some of her peers?


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Posted: Nov 20, 2017 - 7:49am

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Agreed. My focus was more on the woman, who, it appears may be "at fault" for getting a tongue stuck down her throat.  I'd like to not believe her bc I like Franken, and believe her bc she's a woman. Damn gray area.

Slippery slope. 


i remember coming in on a conversation some time back regarding an adult film star

she was claiming the male actor had raped her after she had said no

i guess it begs the question: "when does no mean no?"

and can people remember things differently?

i agree with you both in the sense that it is better to have conversation than not

slippery indeed
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