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Posted: Oct 14, 2017 - 8:48am

Good article explaining trumps order

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/12/16458184/trump-obamacare-executive-order-association-health-plans-short-term-insurance

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Posted: Oct 13, 2017 - 11:02am

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right, that makes sense...a ponzi scheme of sorts.  Is the logic then that all insurance for those now covered under ACA would move to one of these MEWAs?  Insurers will make $ as long as no claims are filed, but once people start getting sick, the cards fall.

 
ps appears the key part of the executive order is it will cut subsidies to insurance companies to help insure high risk consumers
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Posted: Oct 13, 2017 - 7:57am

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They aren't inherently bad. I had a pretty good association plan for my last company pre-ACA. As a tiny company it was hard to find insurers that would even talk to us about anything other than ridiculously expensive plans (and they always wanted to tier them and give me and the board a gold plated plan, but screw the employees with high deductible crap).  Our association plan was good coverage at a reasonable price. 

The problem is the one that there is a strong profit motive on the other side.  they tend to attract a lot of young healthy people because of the attractive cost structure of insuring young healthy people.  But you still need a decent number of people, so you get all kinds of people - often some with higher risk, but not enough money for appropriate insurance.   It's not uncommon for them to understate the risks and because effective regulation is difficult (especially in a climate like we have now where the regulating bodies don't really believe in regulation), the risks often go unseen until they cause a problem. Once the risk understatement has been realized (there is a funding problem at hand), there isn't much to do beyond fold up the association and walk away. Now you have sick people who have paid premiums, but there are no resources left to pay the medical establishment, and a medical establishment with a high carrying cost and no incentive to take on other peoples failed risk assessment (the money is already gone). 


 
right, that makes sense...a ponzi scheme of sorts.  Is the logic then that all insurance for those now covered under ACA would move to one of these MEWAs?  Insurers will make $ as long as no claims are filed, but once people start getting sick, the cards fall.
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Posted: Oct 13, 2017 - 7:41am

If we're not going to have single payer, we need to outlaw health insurance.
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Posted: Oct 13, 2017 - 7:37am

 black321 wrote:
I'm confused what is so bad about a MEWA?  On their face, they are ways to pool/diversify risk.  And how are they comparable to the mortgage industry in the 2000s...the issue there was they werent priced accurately to reflect the true risk of the subprime mortgages within, which led to the industry adding too much risk.  Are these targeted to high risk populations...which itself isnt a problem, as long the risk is properly priced/managed. 


 
They aren't inherently bad. I had a pretty good association plan for my last company pre-ACA. As a tiny company it was hard to find insurers that would even talk to us about anything other than ridiculously expensive plans (and they always wanted to tier them and give me and the board a gold plated plan, but screw the employees with high deductible crap).  Our association plan was good coverage at a reasonable price. 

The problem is the one that there is a strong profit motive on the other side.  they tend to attract a lot of young healthy people because of the attractive cost structure of insuring young healthy people.  But you still need a decent number of people, so you get all kinds of people - often some with higher risk, but not enough money for appropriate insurance.   It's not uncommon for them to understate the risks and because effective regulation is difficult (especially in a climate like we have now where the regulating bodies don't really believe in regulation), the risks often go unseen until they cause a problem. Once the risk understatement has been realized (there is a funding problem at hand), there isn't much to do beyond fold up the association and walk away. Now you have sick people who have paid premiums, but there are no resources left to pay the medical establishment, and a medical establishment with a high carrying cost and no incentive to take on other peoples failed risk assessment (the money is already gone). 



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Posted: Oct 13, 2017 - 7:17am

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Multi Employer Welfare Associations, MEWAs. Association Plans. That's what Trump's EO brings back. These were scams and in large part fraudulent healthcare insurance programs in the 90s, they will be no different today. Even the health insurance industry agrees. One of the cornerstone pieces of the ACA was to strictly regulate those MEWAs. Trump's EO eliminates those protections.

MEWAs allow insurance companies to bundle together small businesses into larger insurance pools. The problem is that it's impossible to regulate. Impossible to keep track of. Impossible to manage. And in the end result is EXACTLY the same as when investment banks bundled together a bunch of worthless shitty mortgages and then convinced a bunch of suckers to buy in and then Wall Street scammed their way into making billions right up until the bubble burst and we all got massively screwed.

 

I'm confused what is so bad about a MEWA?  On their face, they are ways to pool/diversify risk.  And how are they comparable to the mortgage industry in the 2000s...the issue there was they werent priced accurately to reflect the true risk of the subprime mortgages within, which led to the industry adding too much risk.  Are these targeted to high risk populations...which itself isnt a problem, as long the risk is properly priced/managed. 
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Posted: Oct 12, 2017 - 3:28pm

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Just now, Tump signed an Executive Order which will modify the Affordable Healthcare Act — essentially destroying a critical core component.

Putting aside the staggering Republican hypocrisy whereby conservatives suddenly love Executive Orders under the Big Giant Orange Leader but when a black man was in office referred to those same actions as "fascism," "unconstitutional," "impeachment worthy," and "Hitler-like," Trump's action is the real-life equivalent of that scene in Star Wars: A New Hope when Grand Moff Tarkin announces that the Emperor has dissolved the Imperial Senate.

Congress has de facto abdicated.

A Republican House and a Republican Senate and a Republican Supreme Court couldn't — after eight goddamned years of scheming and hollering and obstruction and beating their fleshy chests in outrage — couldn't actually come up with anything better. Or even agree on ANY action of ANY kind, good or bad.

Obstructionism has become institutionalized inaction.

Republican arteries have hardened into immobile concrete. They can't break out of a lifetime of habit, even when they have complete and total control.

Conservatives CANNOT govern. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Congress is simply no longer capable of functioning in any useful manner whatsoever. The simple truth of the matter is that Congress has failed, is failed, and will continue to fail. The body is completely nonfunctional — an utterly predictable result of electing morons, the proudly ignorant, extremists, fanatics, religious nuts, crooks, and the incompetent.

It should be no surprise to anyone that when you fill your government with those who hate and fear and despise government, who actively work to destroy government, who openly and proudly proclaim that their goal is to wreck government at all costs, well, citizen, then it should no surprise at all when government self-destructs.

We have a lousy, failed, non-functional government because in large majority, modern Americans are lousy citizens.

And so here we are.

Trump's EO is the second coming of the same old NeoCon fraud.

Multi Employer Welfare Associations, MEWAs. Association Plans. That's what Trump's EO brings back. These were scams and in large part fraudulent healthcare insurance programs in the 90s, they will be no different today. Even the health insurance industry agrees. One of the cornerstone pieces of the ACA was to strictly regulate those MEWAs. Trump's EO eliminates those protections.

MEWAs allow insurance companies to bundle together small businesses into larger insurance pools. The problem is that it's impossible to regulate. Impossible to keep track of. Impossible to manage. And in the end result is EXACTLY the same as when investment banks bundled together a bunch of worthless shitty mortgages and then convinced a bunch of suckers to buy in and then Wall Street scammed their way into making billions right up until the bubble burst and we all got massively screwed.

This isn't about better healthcare.

This is about Republicans once again finding a way to profit from misery, from hypocrisy, from breaking government, and from directly fucking over every single person in this country except for their billionaire pals.

Poor and middle class conservatives are going to get fucked right alongside poor and middle class liberals, but by the time they realize it, it'll be too late.

It's already far too late.

~Jim Wright



 
Brav-the-fuck-o   {#Clap}
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Posted: Oct 12, 2017 - 11:33am


Just now, Tump signed an Executive Order which will modify the Affordable Healthcare Act — essentially destroying a critical core component.

Putting aside the staggering Republican hypocrisy whereby conservatives suddenly love Executive Orders under the Big Giant Orange Leader but when a black man was in office referred to those same actions as "fascism," "unconstitutional," "impeachment worthy," and "Hitler-like," Trump's action is the real-life equivalent of that scene in Star Wars: A New Hope when Grand Moff Tarkin announces that the Emperor has dissolved the Imperial Senate.

Congress has de facto abdicated.

A Republican House and a Republican Senate and a Republican Supreme Court couldn't — after eight goddamned years of scheming and hollering and obstruction and beating their fleshy chests in outrage — couldn't actually come up with anything better. Or even agree on ANY action of ANY kind, good or bad.

Obstructionism has become institutionalized inaction.

Republican arteries have hardened into immobile concrete. They can't break out of a lifetime of habit, even when they have complete and total control.

Conservatives CANNOT govern. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Congress is simply no longer capable of functioning in any useful manner whatsoever. The simple truth of the matter is that Congress has failed, is failed, and will continue to fail. The body is completely nonfunctional — an utterly predictable result of electing morons, the proudly ignorant, extremists, fanatics, religious nuts, crooks, and the incompetent.

It should be no surprise to anyone that when you fill your government with those who hate and fear and despise government, who actively work to destroy government, who openly and proudly proclaim that their goal is to wreck government at all costs, well, citizen, then it should no surprise at all when government self-destructs.

We have a lousy, failed, non-functional government because in large majority, modern Americans are lousy citizens.

And so here we are.

Trump's EO is the second coming of the same old NeoCon fraud.

Multi Employer Welfare Associations, MEWAs. Association Plans. That's what Trump's EO brings back. These were scams and in large part fraudulent healthcare insurance programs in the 90s, they will be no different today. Even the health insurance industry agrees. One of the cornerstone pieces of the ACA was to strictly regulate those MEWAs. Trump's EO eliminates those protections.

MEWAs allow insurance companies to bundle together small businesses into larger insurance pools. The problem is that it's impossible to regulate. Impossible to keep track of. Impossible to manage. And in the end result is EXACTLY the same as when investment banks bundled together a bunch of worthless shitty mortgages and then convinced a bunch of suckers to buy in and then Wall Street scammed their way into making billions right up until the bubble burst and we all got massively screwed.

This isn't about better healthcare.

This is about Republicans once again finding a way to profit from misery, from hypocrisy, from breaking government, and from directly fucking over every single person in this country except for their billionaire pals.

Poor and middle class conservatives are going to get fucked right alongside poor and middle class liberals, but by the time they realize it, it'll be too late.

It's already far too late.

~Jim Wright



 
Excellently stated.

I get, sort of, how people are pissed off because nothing productive ever gets done, at least when Republicans have a chance to do something or stop something democrats try to do. What I don't get is the same people who complain about it keep electing the very people who are doing it. And I especially don't understand how so many Americans don't see Trump as the biggest con man who ever successfully ran for president.

Seriously? You can't tell the difference between the truth and the stream of crap that comes out of this guys mouth and tweet fingers on a daily basis? That is what is most worrisome, IMO. That so many Americans can't tell the difference. Makes one feel that Americans are so damn gullible.
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Posted: Oct 12, 2017 - 10:04am

Just now, Tump signed an Executive Order which will modify the Affordable Healthcare Act — essentially destroying a critical core component.

Putting aside the staggering Republican hypocrisy whereby conservatives suddenly love Executive Orders under the Big Giant Orange Leader but when a black man was in office referred to those same actions as "fascism," "unconstitutional," "impeachment worthy," and "Hitler-like," Trump's action is the real-life equivalent of that scene in Star Wars: A New Hope when Grand Moff Tarkin announces that the Emperor has dissolved the Imperial Senate.

Congress has de facto abdicated.

A Republican House and a Republican Senate and a Republican Supreme Court couldn't — after eight goddamned years of scheming and hollering and obstruction and beating their fleshy chests in outrage — couldn't actually come up with anything better. Or even agree on ANY action of ANY kind, good or bad.

Obstructionism has become institutionalized inaction.

Republican arteries have hardened into immobile concrete. They can't break out of a lifetime of habit, even when they have complete and total control.

Conservatives CANNOT govern. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Congress is simply no longer capable of functioning in any useful manner whatsoever. The simple truth of the matter is that Congress has failed, is failed, and will continue to fail. The body is completely nonfunctional — an utterly predictable result of electing morons, the proudly ignorant, extremists, fanatics, religious nuts, crooks, and the incompetent.

It should be no surprise to anyone that when you fill your government with those who hate and fear and despise government, who actively work to destroy government, who openly and proudly proclaim that their goal is to wreck government at all costs, well, citizen, then it should no surprise at all when government self-destructs.

We have a lousy, failed, non-functional government because in large majority, modern Americans are lousy citizens.

And so here we are.

Trump's EO is the second coming of the same old NeoCon fraud.

Multi Employer Welfare Associations, MEWAs. Association Plans. That's what Trump's EO brings back. These were scams and in large part fraudulent healthcare insurance programs in the 90s, they will be no different today. Even the health insurance industry agrees. One of the cornerstone pieces of the ACA was to strictly regulate those MEWAs. Trump's EO eliminates those protections.

MEWAs allow insurance companies to bundle together small businesses into larger insurance pools. The problem is that it's impossible to regulate. Impossible to keep track of. Impossible to manage. And in the end result is EXACTLY the same as when investment banks bundled together a bunch of worthless shitty mortgages and then convinced a bunch of suckers to buy in and then Wall Street scammed their way into making billions right up until the bubble burst and we all got massively screwed.

This isn't about better healthcare.

This is about Republicans once again finding a way to profit from misery, from hypocrisy, from breaking government, and from directly fucking over every single person in this country except for their billionaire pals.

Poor and middle class conservatives are going to get fucked right alongside poor and middle class liberals, but by the time they realize it, it'll be too late.

It's already far too late.

~Jim Wright


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Posted: Sep 21, 2017 - 4:44am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
We cannot afford health care for all.

We can afford to continue endless, imperial war.

The logic is flawless.

 

to the board

this isn't just a gop problem

but it is a political problem

the answer isn't political violence forcing health care for all/universal care/single pay etc.

anymore than politicians passing out food stamps for all in venezuela is the answer to their starvation

we need more and better health care (and health care is clearly a product, not a right)

what are the tools of production for better health outcomes? and how do we leverage them to produce more and better outcomes?

over in one of the forums i've posted the history of our health care system (folks can look at the flexnor report, maybe use the wayback site to get an idea)

where we went from the country with the highest number of doctors/service providers per capita to the practically one of the lowest

who closed all of the "rogue" medical schools? stymied innovation, etc.? all in the name of progress

the same political framework and control we see now...

politicians think they can "fix it all" by making rules and threatening people with violence

more political power injected into anything = undesired results

peace

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Posted: Sep 20, 2017 - 4:39pm

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Every pregnancy is sacred and must be preserved - but no support for food, housing, education, health care, old age after they're born. That would be wrong.

 
Oh, but if you're a woman who has the audacity to get pregnant, your health insurance premiums could skyrocket. Pro-life, my ass. 
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Posted: Sep 20, 2017 - 7:20am

 Steely_D wrote:

Every pregnancy is sacred and must be preserved - but no support for food, housing, education, health care, old age after they're born. That would be wrong.

 

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Posted: Sep 20, 2017 - 7:00am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
We cannot afford health care for all.

We can afford to continue endless, imperial war.

The logic is flawless.

 
Every pregnancy is sacred and must be preserved - but no support for food, housing, education, health care, old age after they're born. That would be wrong.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2017 - 4:19am

We cannot afford health care for all.

We can afford to continue endless, imperial war.

The logic is flawless.
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Posted: Aug 17, 2017 - 6:59pm

These monsters want to legalize murder.
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Posted: Aug 9, 2017 - 12:37pm

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Now this is where I clearly call "foul" against these asshat politicians...interfering with my shows!  As Roger says, "picture a leader with no fucking brains."
edit - just noticed it was more than just GOP who passed/supported that bill

Call to cancel Roger Waters concerts at Nassau Coliseum

On Thursday, July 20, 2017, outside the Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, Nassau lawmakers and Jewish community leaders called for the cancellation of Rogers Waters' upcoming concerts because of the former Pink Floyd bassist's support for a movement to boycott Israeli goods and services. (Credit: Howard Schnapp)

 

Nassau lawmakers and Jewish leaders on Thursday called on the operator of the Nassau Coliseum to cancel Rogers Waters concerts scheduled for September because of the former Pink Floyd bassist’s support for a movement to boycott Israeli goods and services.

The GOP-controlled county legislature last year passed a bill sponsored by Legis. Howard Kopel (R-Lawrence) prohibiting companies from doing business with the county if they boycotted or divested from Israeli businesses or supported sanctions against Israel.

The law is aimed at backers of the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement, or BDS, which works to end international support for what it characterizes as Israel’s oppression of Palestinians.

At a news conference outside the Uniondale arena, Rabbi Jay Rosenbaum of Temple Israel of Lawrence called BDS a “morally bankrupt movement that promotes economic terrorism against Israel.”

Waters, an outspoken BDS supporter, has been criticized for using imagery such as a flying pig emblazoned with a Star of David and a dollar sign during his concerts.

......

Waters, who says he is peacefully protesting Israel’s policies, is set to perform at NYCB Live’s Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum on Sept. 15 and 16. Lawmakers noted that the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashana begins on the evening of Sept. 20.

.....

Democratic Minority Leader Kevan Abrahams (D-Freeport) criticized Brooklyn-based NEC for a lack of “leadership” and said Waters “was not welcome here in Nassau County.”

 



It is always a great occasion when distinguished ethnic cleansers such as Rabbi Jay Rosenbaum express their opinions.   I admire his willingness to pay for a greater and more glorious Israel in lost wealth as well as dead Israelis and dead Americans.  (Presumably dead and cleansed Palestinians do not matter.)

Not surprised to see the Democratic leader express his hostile attitude to Waters as the Democrats have always been enthusiastic supporters of the Israeli nation-building process.  

But once again Water's childish and stereotypical image of Zionism makes press.  The dollar sign and star of David appeal to the basest of anti-Jewish sentiment that has prevailed and poisoned Slavic and European societies for a long time. 

If Waters were educated (....), he would emphasize the opportunity cost of the Israeli nation building process, how many lives have been sacrificed, how much wealth has been sacrificed.

If Israel were to somehow make peace with the Palestinians neighbours, I reckon the real per capita GDP of Israelis would go up about 10 to 25%.

Individuals get rich in a violent conflict.  Societies almost invariably become poorer.
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Posted: Aug 7, 2017 - 4:33pm

"You must be a conservative, or you wouldn't be here."
He cracked the screen door just enough to take the card, a "Hmph!" noise escaping his lips as he regarded it. I noticed his eyebrows raise as he scanned the top of it, which I assumed was on the point of my palm card where I mentioned Medicaid expansion.

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Posted: Jul 21, 2017 - 7:13am

Now this is where I clearly call "foul" against these asshat politicians...interfering with my shows!  As Roger says, "picture a leader with no fucking brains."
edit - just noticed it was more than just GOP who passed/supported that bill

Call to cancel Roger Waters concerts at Nassau Coliseum

On Thursday, July 20, 2017, outside the Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, Nassau lawmakers and Jewish community leaders called for the cancellation of Rogers Waters' upcoming concerts because of the former Pink Floyd bassist's support for a movement to boycott Israeli goods and services. (Credit: Howard Schnapp)

 

Nassau lawmakers and Jewish leaders on Thursday called on the operator of the Nassau Coliseum to cancel Rogers Waters concerts scheduled for September because of the former Pink Floyd bassist’s support for a movement to boycott Israeli goods and services.

The GOP-controlled county legislature last year passed a bill sponsored by Legis. Howard Kopel (R-Lawrence) prohibiting companies from doing business with the county if they boycotted or divested from Israeli businesses or supported sanctions against Israel.

The law is aimed at backers of the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement, or BDS, which works to end international support for what it characterizes as Israel’s oppression of Palestinians.

At a news conference outside the Uniondale arena, Rabbi Jay Rosenbaum of Temple Israel of Lawrence called BDS a “morally bankrupt movement that promotes economic terrorism against Israel.”

Waters, an outspoken BDS supporter, has been criticized for using imagery such as a flying pig emblazoned with a Star of David and a dollar sign during his concerts.

 Nassau County legislator Howard Kopel along with other members of the Nassau Legislature hold a news conference to encourage the Nassau Coliseum operator to cancel the upcoming Roger Waters concerts on Thursday, July 20, 2017 in Uniondale. Photo Credit: Getty Images / Kevin Winter

Waters, who says he is peacefully protesting Israel’s policies, is set to perform at NYCB Live’s Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum on Sept. 15 and 16. Lawmakers noted that the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashana begins on the evening of Sept. 20.

 A spokeswoman for Waters’ tour did not respond to a request for comment.

County Attorney Carnell Foskey last week threatened to take “appropriate legal action” if the concerts went on.

But in a July 18 response, Jeffrey Gewirtz, chief legal and administrative officer at Nassau Events Center, which has a 49-year lease with the county to operate the arena, said Waters’ opinions are protected speech.

“NEC respects the constitutionally guaranteed rights of all people and therefore intends the Coliseum — under its stewardship — to be a venue that respects the expression and exchange of a wide variety of ideas and viewpoints,” Gewirtz said.

Gewirtz said Nassau’s BDS law does not apply to Waters because he does not have a contract with the county.

 Foskey said he was “reviewing NEC’s arguments.”

Kopel said NEC was “showing contempt” for residents by hosting the concerts. “Don’t let NEC make any profit off this shameful and horrible performance,” he said.

Democratic Minority Leader Kevan Abrahams (D-Freeport) criticized Brooklyn-based NEC for a lack of “leadership” and said Waters “was not welcome here in Nassau County.”





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