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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 3:52pm

The dotard can't make up his mind...

This is just an incredible spectacle. Putin must be laughing his ass off.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 2:51pm

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I don't think he's suffering from dementia, but it's in the realm of possibilities. 

I think it's more likely that he's once again stubbornly asserting his own opinion because other people are telling him what to say. Remember that when he laboriously read that prepared statement about how he misspoke, he said that it was likely the Russians were involved with the DNC hacking but then he tacked on "...could be other people too." (Or something like that; I'm not going to look for his exact words this time). 

But here's the problem for Trump: his press conference disaster on Monday, his completely laughable walk-back on Tuesday (that pesky double-negative!) and his one-word denial of Russian involvement on Wednesday: those aren't signs of strength or clever manipulation. Those are signs of weakness and desperate confusion. He's not in control of the story anymore and his word-salad Houdini act now looks pathetic and broken.

He is not speaking and acting from a position of power. Trump is on the defensive and this ping-ponging about Russia isn't going to make the controversy fade away. He's just making things worse for himself. 
 

Couldn't agree more with you. I would also add that whenever Trump leaves a meeting he has these delusions of grandeur that make him believe that substantial wonderful, great, important, concrete things have been accomplished simply because they were discussed in the meeting. 

Sorry Sparky, that's not the way it works. 


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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 2:41pm

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Ask again later.
 
{#Lol}

...I think it's: Reply Hazy, Ask Again Later


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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 2:26pm

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I saw the clip.  My guess is that he is now fucking with the media, yanking their chain ... ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

of course Russia is still targeting the US, duh ...

Everyone freaks and assumes the worst.  TDS.  He's renting space in y'all's heads for free now.

 

I don't think he's suffering from dementia, but it's in the realm of possibilities. 

I think it's more likely that he's once again stubbornly asserting his own opinion because other people are telling him what to say. Remember that when he laboriously read that prepared statement about how he misspoke, he said that it was likely the Russians were involved with the DNC hacking but then he tacked on "...could be other people too." (Or something like that; I'm not going to look for his exact words this time). 

But here's the problem for Trump: his press conference disaster on Monday, his completely laughable walk-back on Tuesday (that pesky double-negative!) and his one-word denial of Russian involvement on Wednesday: those aren't signs of strength or clever manipulation. Those are signs of weakness and desperate confusion. He's not in control of the story anymore and his word-salad Houdini act now looks pathetic and broken.

He is not speaking and acting from a position of power. Trump is on the defensive and this ping-ponging about Russia isn't going to make the controversy fade away. He's just making things worse for himself. 

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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 2:08pm

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I saw the clip.  My guess is that he is now fucking with the media, yanking their chain ... ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

of course Russia is still targeting the US, duh ...

Everyone freaks and assumes the worst.  TDS.  He's renting space in y'all's heads for free now.
 
Yes, too many people are clinging to his every word (spoken or Tweeted), and he is using it.  What he's doing is is your basic magician's misdirection - setting off a puff of smoke from his left hand while palming the ball from under one of the three cups with his right.  I'll tell you this: I don't know why he would.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 1:56pm

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Is dementia setting in?  Has someone replaced Trump's brain with a Magic 8 ball?
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But on Wednesday, when the president was asked whether Russia was “still targeting” the United States, Mr. Trump said: “No.”



 
I saw the clip.  My guess is that he is now fucking with the media, yanking their chain ... ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

of course Russia is still targeting the US, duh ...

Everyone freaks and assumes the worst.  TDS.  He's renting space in y'all's heads for free now.


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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 1:48pm

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Is dementia setting in?  Has someone replaced Trump's brain with a Magic 8 ball?
 

Ask again later.

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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 1:36pm

Is dementia setting in?  Has someone replaced Trump's brain with a Magic 8 ball?

Trump Appears to Say Russia Is No Longer Targeting U.S. White House Says He Was Answering a Different Question.


WASHINGTON — President Trump appeared to say on Wednesday that Russia was no longer targeting the United States, contradicting his own intelligence chief just a day after promising that his administration was working to prevent Kremlin interference in the upcoming midterm elections.

Hours later, the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, said that Mr. Trump was answering a different question, and that “we believe the threat still exists.”

Mr. Trump’s comments were the latest in a dizzying collection of conflicting statements from Mr. Trump since he emerged from a private meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Monday in Helsinki, Finland. And they directly contradict assertions from Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, who has repeatedly said that Russia continues to try to interfere with American democracy.

And again on Monday: “We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy,” Mr. Coats said.

But on Wednesday, when the president was asked whether Russia was “still targeting” the United States, Mr. Trump said: “No.”


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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 1:12pm

Google image search the word "idiot".
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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 11:47am

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I admit that I stopped reading the tweet after the FBI part and did not see the or anyone else part.  Bad on my part.  No excuses, would not have posted it had I read it more carefully because I knew that it was examined by CrowdStrike.

Yes, I knew that CrowdStrike did do an analysis way back when.  Not good enough, though.  It would seem that with all the concerns about foreign interference in our elections, the FBI should see them just in the name of National Security.  So you're saying that the FBI is not capable of properly examining the servers.  You may be right about the FBI's capabilities.  They sure have been deficient at finding evidence requested by Congress.  It is quite clear that the FBI was more interested in the outcome of the election on a partisan basis than anything else as we have come to find out, although I know that you certainly disagree with that.

I will not dispute whether or not the Russians hacked the DNC's servers.  It certainly wasn't hard to do.  Seems all kinds of people got in.  I will dispute your assertion that Russia was Wikileaks source.  Assange has to this day 100% credibility and has said that Russia was not his source.  I have to go with Assange on this.  

Our bullpen does have big problems.  While we may take our division, we ain't getting past the Bosox or the Yankees.  Not worth giving up the farm for a rent a player that likely will not be enough to go all the way anyway.  As we always say in Cleveburg, wait until next year ...



 



"So you're saying that the FBI is not capable of properly examining the servers."


I never said that, not did the articles I pointed you to. AFAICT from the Politico article--the first link--the FBI didn't need to examine the hardware since Crowdstrike gave  the bureau images that fully detailed the software on the servers. Again, Politico points out that there are 140 servers, not just one.

Everything points to GRU hacking the DNC's system. I'm sorry but the US intelligence agencies were not and are not out to get Trump. As for Assange's claim that the Russians didn't give him the info, I haven't read about his involvement that closely. What he's claiming or suggesting as his source is not clear to me. I don't have a lot of faith in him. The Politico article IIRC quotes emails between Assange and Russians about the supply and publishing of Democratic material.


Terry Francona is a great guy and manager. Good to see him doing well. I hope Andrew Miller comes back soon. He went through hell early in his career before finally putting it all together as a reliever. 
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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 11:36am

fuckin dimwits love this criminal and will drum up any excuse as they swallow his crud
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-unwinding-of-donald-trump

The Unwinding of Donald Trump


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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 11:36am

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You and many others here obviously still believe the Steele Dossier to be 100% accurate and verified. 

And it was the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow 2013.

Your citation for the proof is ... ?

This ?  It’s naive to think the FSB wasn’t spying on Trump during Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow in 2013

or this ?  A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump

or this ?  TRUMP MOSCOW TAPE ORSOMETHING CLOSE’ IS REAL, AND PUTIN 'LIKELY' HAS SOMETHING ON U.S. PRESIDENT, SENATOR CLAIMS

Yep, Putin knew Trump was running for POTUS back in 2013 and had to get the goods on Trump, because he was so important back then.

Well where is it ?  There's a cool $10 mil waiting for you.

Have dirt that could impeach Trump? Larry Flynt will pay you $10 million.

In a subsequent phone interview, Flynt told The Post that he expected to get information “within a few days” and said he would release any legitimate information right away. He also defended offering a cash reward for information.

“Just because you pay for it does not mean it’s not any good,” Flynt said. “I don’t think you can live as recklessly as Trump has for 30 years and not leave some baggage along the way . . .

That was in Oct 2017.  The money is still waiting ...  you could be an even wealthier man !!!



  

Parroting the ignorant Mr. Trump does not impress anyone paying attention.
Once blackmail material is out, it becomes valueless. 

Blackmailers demand payment of some form in return for a promise to keep the material out of sight.

Do you really think Putin would take a measly 10 million in trade for something priceless that would give him leverage over the leader of another country, his principle antagonist for many years, for as long as Trump is in office? You are more clueless than I thought if you really believe such nonsense.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 4:12am

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Maybe you and your buddy Bill Mitchell can check out this neat-o new thingy on the Interwebs CALLED GOOGLE AND ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTIONS. 

Why don't you stop posting in a desperate attempt to distract this thread from Trump's complete crap-the-bed moments of the last two days and READ instead? 

Examining the physical server isn't as revealing as Trump thinks. Crowdstrike gave the FBI images of the server, which provides far more information. Read the Politico piece if you don't understand what I just wrote. 

What Mueller Knows About the DNC Hack—And Trump Doesn’t

First off, CrowdStrike, the company the DNC brought in to initially investigate and remediate the hack, actually shared images of the DNC servers with the FBI. For the purposes of an investigation of this type, images are much more useful than handing over metal and hardware, because they are bit-by-bit copies of a crime scene taken while the crime was going on. Live hard drive and memory snapshots of blinking, powered-on machines in a network reveal significantly more forensic data than some powered-off server removed from a network. It’s the difference between watching a house over time, carefully noting down who comes and goes and when and how, versus handing over a key to a lonely boarded-up building. By physically handing over a server to the FBI as Trump suggested, the DNC would in fact have destroyed evidence. (Besides, there wasn’t just one server, but 140.)
An advanced investigation of an advanced hacking operation requires significantly more than just access to servers. Investigators want access to the attack infrastructure—the equivalent to a chain of getaway cars of a team of burglars. And the latest indictments are rich with details that likely come from intercepting command-and-control boxes (in effect, bugging those getaway cars) and have nothing to do with physical access to the DNC’s servers.
How Russian hackers stole information from Democrats, in 3 simple diagrams

How the Russians hacked the DNC and passed its emails to WikiLeaks
5 revelations from Mueller's indictment of Russians in DNC hack
How Russia Hacked the Democrats in 2016
Russians tried to hack Clinton server on day Trump urged email search



 
I admit that I stopped reading the tweet after the FBI part and did not see the or anyone else part.  Bad on my part.  No excuses, would not have posted it had I read it more carefully because I knew that it was examined by CrowdStrike.

Yes, I knew that CrowdStrike did do an analysis way back when.  Not good enough, though.  It would seem that with all the concerns about foreign interference in our elections, the FBI should see them just in the name of National Security.  So you're saying that the FBI is not capable of properly examining the servers.  You may be right about the FBI's capabilities.  They sure have been deficient at finding evidence requested by Congress.  It is quite clear that the FBI was more interested in the outcome of the election on a partisan basis than anything else as we have come to find out, although I know that you certainly disagree with that.

I will not dispute whether or not the Russians hacked the DNC's servers.  It certainly wasn't hard to do.  Seems all kinds of people got in.  I will dispute your assertion that Russia was Wikileaks source.  Assange has to this day 100% credibility and has said that Russia was not his source.  I have to go with Assange on this.  

Our bullpen does have big problems.  While we may take our division, we ain't getting past the Bosox or the Yankees.  Not worth giving up the farm for a rent a player that likely will not be enough to go all the way anyway.  As we always say in Cleveburg, wait until next year ...


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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 12:17am

yet more painful irony
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Posted: Jul 18, 2018 - 12:06am

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I hope Steely isn't holding his breath.{#Roflol}

 
And yet the people around me are glad I'm holding it.

#CovfefeBreath 
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Posted: Jul 17, 2018 - 11:45pm

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My memory is better than your's evidently ...

The US has been in Germany continuously since the end of WW II, well before NATO came into being.

The first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay, stated in 1949 that the organization's goal was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down".

Doubts over the strength of the relationship between the European states and the United States ebbed and flowed, along with doubts over the credibility of the NATO defense against a prospective Soviet invasion – doubts that led to the development of the independent French nuclear deterrent and the withdrawal of France from NATO's military structure in 1966 for 30 years. 

NATO has been a shaky organization throughout its entire existence.  France was in then they were out and now they are back.  France looks out for France and that is that.  Hitler said "Boo" and France fell.  They did teach you that in school ?  Right ?   

From the mid-1960s to the mid-1990s, France pursued a military strategy of independence from NATO under a policy dubbed "Gaullo-Mitterrandism". Nicolas Sarkozy negotiated the return of France to the integrated military command and the Defence Planning Committee in 2009, the latter being disbanded the following year. France remains the only NATO member outside the Nuclear Planning Group and unlike the United States and the United Kingdom, will not commit its nuclear-armed submarines to the alliance. Few members spend more than two percent of their gross domestic product on defence, with the United States accounting for three quarters of NATO defense spending.

...
At the subsequent 2014 Wales summit, the leaders of NATO's member states formally committed for the first time spend the equivalent of at least 2% of their gross domestic products on defence by 2024, which had previously been only an informal guideline. In 2015, five of its 28 members met that goal. At the beginning of 2018, eight of the 29 members either were meeting the target or were close to it; six others had laid out plans to reach the target by 2024 as promised

That means that only half of the current members intend to spend their fair share by 2024.

Libya was my WTF moment as far as NATO is concerned.  Under the guise of 'genocide' France initiated an intervention into a so called civil war.  Actually Qadaffy was about to cut France off from its Sweet Libyan Crude which it is so dependent upon due to their oil refining limitations.  The US does not use nor need Libyan crude.  We primarily refine heavy crude such as from Venezuela and Canada and West Texas Intermediate grades.  But since NATO members other than the US had not been investing their 2% GDP into their defense, they were unable to do any of the heavy lifting and that is how the US got dragged into that mess, albeit with Hillary's urging.  So militarily speaking, NATO is nothing without the US.  Sure members do contribute forces, but they are limited in scope and severely limited in capabilities.  This is the reason that the US refuses to put US forces under direct NATO command.

So until NATO members pony up and the other members build up their own national defenses with a 2% GDP commitment, it is toothless without the US.  But what kind of domestic spending cuts are going to be required to make that commitment ?   Raising retirement ages ?  Stuff like that ?  That'll go over well, right ?

And $1.25 billion just for the headquarters building in Brussels ?  WTF ?  NATO is more of a bureaucracy than anything else.

Back to you ...  tell me where I've got things wrong, again ...

 
with pleasure! I don't even need to do any research as you deliver the ammunition yourself

1) The first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay, stated in 1949 that the organization's goal was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down" 

Firstly, this comment was made in 1949, shortly after WWII. Secondly, you seem to have overlooked the  "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in," part which, as time moved on became by far the prevailing motive, particularly after the Soviets got the bomb. 

2)  NATO has been a shaky organization throughout its entire existence.  France was in then they were out and now they are back.  France looks out for France and that is that.  Hitler said "Boo" and France fell.  They did teach you that in school ?  Right ? 

 seriously?  The decision of France to develop its own nuclear deterrent is appearing more and more sane by the day. 

3) Spending  - I touched on this already. US decisions to spend so much on its military are a combination of its own national interest and extremely powerful lobbying by the military-industrial complex. The US is categorically not motivated primarily by selfless obligations towards NATO but rather its own strategic advantage. And anyway, Trump's argument is contradictory. He wants other NATO states to spend more on defense (up to 2%) to counter a threat that he himself says no longer exists. Well, if you are so angry about spending so much on defense, then stop doing it!  No one is asking you to keep doing it, well at least no one can force you to!!

4) Sure members do contribute forces, but they are limited in scope and severely limited in capabilities.  This is the reason that the US refuses to put US forces under direct NATO command.    oh really?  yeah, right. 

Listen Kurtster, let me put it to you as plainly and fairly as I can. No one is disputing that the world has generally benefited from US hegemony since WWII. Firstly, during the Cold War to protect against the Soviet threat and then after the fall of the Soviet Union to intervene in various regional conflicts. But to argue as Trump has that the US has been doing this out of selflessness and the rest of the world has been freeloading  is preposterous. With a few very rare exceptions, the US has been following its own national interests (which are closely tied to the interests of large corporations) the entire time. The fact that these sometimes - but not always - align with the interests of most other western economies is fortuitous but seen from the perspective of US allies, not a causus belli. It is possible you know to establish treaties and closer ties simply by trading and negotiating.

If you are really tired of spending so much on defense, then stop doing it! I am sure other powers will adjust to the resulting power vacuum with their own strategic spending, just like they always have. And now, with a president in power who is cuddling up to proto-fascists and tyrants, I am sure that very prospect is being debated at various cabinet meetings around the world. So whose side is Trump on? Is he a threat to world peace or its guardian? What do you think, Kurtster?  What's your vision? What are you after? And how do you plan to get there?


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Posted: Jul 17, 2018 - 9:27pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Well, he certainly did mis-speak. No one in their right mind would have said what he said. NB: "right mind."

 


Your post speaks to one of the big questions surrounding Trump: is he fit to serve as President (the 25th Amendment to the Constitution)? It would take a lot of stuff for either party to go down that road. Apparently if the President opposes the majority opinion of his VP and cabinet that he is not fit to rule, the VP and cabinet must send their declaration of unfitness for approval by 2/3 of both chambers of Congress. 

So the 25th Amendment is tougher sledding than impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors (Article 2, section 4) which if we remember Slick Willie's Wild Ride only requires a simple majority of the House of Reps to move impeachment along (2/3 majority in the Senate). And can you imagine Mike Pence actually voting to remove "Double-negative Don"? What would Mother say! 

Mike Pence and wife and bunny
(Marlon Bundo has a nicer cage than these illegal immigrant children 
flown in for a touching photo-op. Deportación para ti, niños!)



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Posted: Jul 17, 2018 - 8:11pm

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oh gosh, I misspoke. 
 
Well, he certainly did mis-speak. No one in their right mind would have said what he said. NB: "right mind."
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