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Beck — Paper Tiger
Album: Sea Change
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Released: 2002
Length: 4:30
Plays (last 30 days): 2
Just like a paper tiger
Torn apart by idle hands
Through the helter skelter morning
Fix yourself while you still can

No more ashes to ashes
No more cinders from the sky
Let all the laws of creation
Tell a dead man how to die

Oh deserts down below us
And storms up above
Like a stray dog gone defective
Like a paper tiger in the sun

Looking through a broken diamond
To make the past what it should be
Through the ruins and the weather
Capsized boats in the sea

Oh deserts down below us
And storms up above
Like a stray dog gone defective
Like a paper tiger in the sun

We're just holding on to nothing
To see how long nothing lasts

Oh deserts down below us
And storms up above
Like a stray dog gone defective
Like a paper tiger in the sun

There's one road to the morning
There's one road to the truth
There's one road back to civilization
But there's no road back to you
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This track has the same arrangements as the album "Histoire de Melody Nelson" from Serge Gainsbourg, out in 1971.
I urge you to listen to Gainsbourg's Melody Nelson album if you don't know.
This album really was a Sea Change for me.  I've played it for years. 
Inspired from Serge Gainsbourg's 'Medoly Nelson" many years ago. A reference for many bands around the world.
Great bass
What a shame he's only known in the mainstream for "Loser" and "Where It's At"... his later stuff was so much better.
Further to my earlier praise for tonight's (UK) playlist, it ends with this track. Dreadful.
Really nearly 20 years ago?
In totality, the best breakup album ever.  
Half heard this from the other side of the workshop and thought it was Melody Nelson
 Noé wrote:

Bon alors copie + ?? {#Wave} Habile ... N'oublie pas que l'on parle à 98% de personnes qui ne connaissent pas GAINSBOURG {#Ask}
 
You're right, Noe:!  I had never heard of Serge Gainsbourg until just now!  The Wikipedia article on him makes me curious.  So, I clicked over to Amazon and ordered a copy of "Initials SG:" for starters... 
Brilliant! Best failed rapper I know of. 
 alph wrote:
Sneaky. Great stuff from Beck. This album has always been one of my favorites. It's like Beck took valium for a few months and ended up with enough material to cut a record. And it's titled very appropriately when you consider that it followed Midnite Vultures.
 
I always imagined a break-up prompting this album (esp w/ Lost Cause, Guess I'm Doin' Fine, Already Dead). But, your assessment, given the follow to Vultures, made me laugh (equally, a kick-a$$, albeit a VERY different album)! 
Genius! What a masterpiece, even if clearly 110% Serge Gainsbouresque.
Far out stuff!  Love the flow of the bass riffs combined with the violins. Good sound, flows cool and keen. My compliments on the selection. 
Great track.

 
coccyx wrote:
dull
heavy handed
sham
 
I think you're a bit too over critical of this song ...Sound like my music teacher at school!
Diggin' it.  Reminds me of Gus Dudgeon's production work with early Elton John, using big string parts right up front.
Seventeen years old, wow
 yoksa wrote:
He should have gone to therapy instead of introducing the use of music for purposes of masturbation.
 
What? WTF?

You force me to agree with the hater. Damn you!  
 yoksa wrote:
He should have gone to therapy instead of introducing the use of music for purposes of masturbation.
 
 Normally I have something pithy to say but..... WTF!?!
He should have gone to therapy instead of introducing the use of music for purposes of masturbation.
 CoYoT51 wrote:

Une simple copie ? Tu te fous de qui, là ?
Tu ne peux pas être de bonne foi. C'est un superbe hommage, mais on est très très TRES loin de la simple copie. C'est très "inspiré de" mais tu ne peux décemment pas nier qu'il y a dans ce morceau un gros travail de compo et d'arrangement. Et, crois-moi, c'est un vrai fan de Gainsbourg qui t'écrit.
Dans la "copie", il a un irrespect caractérisé de l'auteur. Ici, c'est le respect même qui guide la partition de Beck... comme il l'a fait auparavant avec... Charlotte.

 
Bon alors copie + ?? {#Wave} Habile ... N'oublie pas que l'on parle à 98% de personnes qui ne connaissent pas GAINSBOURG {#Ask}
1971 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3C4AVbqyY8 Same mélody  ;-)
 Noé wrote:
It's just a copy ... sorry

 
Une simple copie ? Tu te fous de qui, là ?
Tu ne peux pas être de bonne foi. C'est un superbe hommage, mais on est très très TRES loin de la simple copie. C'est très "inspiré de" mais tu ne peux décemment pas nier qu'il y a dans ce morceau un gros travail de compo et d'arrangement. Et, crois-moi, c'est un vrai fan de Gainsbourg qui t'écrit.
Dans la "copie", il a un irrespect caractérisé de l'auteur. Ici, c'est le respect même qui guide la partition de Beck... comme il l'a fait auparavant avec... Charlotte.
 Skydog wrote:
I have no Beck records and RP is the only place I hear him
and I dig it every time 

 
S-Dog!  Hate to see you so unhappy!  Go to iTunes and enjoy as much Beck as you can handle!
A masterpiece, a great great tribute to Serge Gainsbourg!
YEAH!  Wow, this sounds as good to me now as when it came out, dig...
It's just a copy ... sorry
Best strings in rock since Madman Across the Water.
Lesson the album of Serge Gainsbourg : "L'Histoire de Melody Nelson" 1970.

Is it because Beck had work with her daughter Charlotte ? {#Ask}


I have no Beck records and RP is the only place I hear him
and I dig it every time 
 malamucha wrote:
This must be a tribute to Serge Gainsbourg's Melody Nelson..

Edit:
https://www.whosampled.com/sample/1277/Beck-Paper-Tiger-Serge-Gainsbourg-Cargo-Culte/

 
Melody Nelson is just an awesome album, wish we could hear much more of it on RP!
This must be a tribute to Serge Gainsbourg's Melody Nelson..

Edit:
https://www.whosampled.com/sample/1277/Beck-Paper-Tiger-Serge-Gainsbourg-Cargo-Culte/
Sounds like Nick Drake with a string quartet as backup...   diggin it!
I like this song but I am not sure why, Is it the strings maybe. 
Best. Song. You know.
Beck's "controversial" win at the grammy's or whatever the hell that award show was is solidified every time I hear him sing.
Sufjan, Radiohead, Beck... Thank you master of segue. 
Just saw this guy on Austin City Limits. Wow!!!!
Absolute waste of my time.  
 nagsheadlocal wrote:

Isn't that tiresome? I had someone just recently tell me, in breathless tones, that a musician I liked was a (gasp!) member of a certain religion.

It really doesn't make any difference to me how someone spends their free time. And if I decided I could only listen to musicians or enjoy actors who belonged to a list of approved religious or political beliefs, I'd be bored in a hurry.

Ezra Pound was a fascist - a real one, not just someone with whom you disagree. And yet "Hugh Selwin Mauberley" is one of the few poems I can recite, from memory, long passages. It's a great work, even if the author had repugnant politics.

 
I think he was throwing a jab at our ol' buddy Stingray, who couldn't seem to get past Beck's religion.
“Anyone who thinks ‘paper tiger’ is a synonym for ‘harmless’ has never been involved in litigation.”  —Glenn Harlan Reynolds
Beck to me is Jeff Beck. Not this boring no talent.
 nagsheadlocal wrote:

Isn't that tiresome? I had someone just recently tell me, in breathless tones, that a musician I liked was a (gasp!) member of a certain religion.

It really doesn't make any difference to me how someone spends their free time. And if I decided I could only listen to musicians or enjoy actors who belonged to a list of approved religious or political beliefs, I'd be bored in a hurry.

Ezra Pound was a fascist - a real one, not just someone with whom you disagree. And yet "Hugh Selwin Mauberley" is one of the few poems I can recite, from memory, long passages. It's a great work, even if the author had repugnant politics.

 
Word. Although I'm partial to Pound's "The Seafarer." Agree, tho', he was a disagreeable sort. On another note, I went to Sam and Omie's this spring after too long a hiatus and was unnerved to see Jennette's Pier risen from the sand. WTF?
 nagsheadlocal wrote:

Isn't that tiresome? I had someone just recently tell me, in breathless tones, that a musician I liked was a (gasp!) member of a certain religion.

It really doesn't make any difference to me how someone spends their free time. And if I decided I could only listen to musicians or enjoy actors who belonged to a list of approved religious or political beliefs, I'd be bored in a hurry.

Ezra Pound was a fascist - a real one, not just someone with whom you disagree. And yet "Hugh Selwin Mauberley" is one of the few poems I can recite, from memory, long passages. It's a great work, even if the author had repugnant politics.

 
Shame we are not neighbours... I suspect we would get along just fine.
Keep posting mate...you inspired me to join this community. 
{#Bananapiano}  As much Beck as you can through at me Bill.  Wonderful Stuff - for me his best album.
The Dr. Lonnie Smith version is much better.
Haven't heard this moody thing in a while...really digging the bass and guitar work on it this listen. This & Guero are my fave Beck albums.
 kcar wrote:

Hey, where's Stingray to warn us that Beck is a Scientologist? 'Cause I don't want to get Scientologist cooties from listening to Beck's music. 

 
Isn't that tiresome? I had someone just recently tell me, in breathless tones, that a musician I liked was a (gasp!) member of a certain religion.

It really doesn't make any difference to me how someone spends their free time. And if I decided I could only listen to musicians or enjoy actors who belonged to a list of approved religious or political beliefs, I'd be bored in a hurry.

Ezra Pound was a fascist - a real one, not just someone with whom you disagree. And yet "Hugh Selwin Mauberley" is one of the few poems I can recite, from memory, long passages. It's a great work, even if the author had repugnant politics.
 CoYoT51 wrote:

Chez Max coiffeur pour homme,
Ou un jour j'entrais comme par hasard,
Me faire raser la couenne et raffraichir les nouilles,
Je tombe sur cette chienne, shampouineuse,
Qui aussitôt m'aveugle par sa beauté païenne et ses mains savoneuses.

Elle se penche et voilà ses doudounes,
comme deux rahat loukoum a la rose,
Qui rebondissent sur ma nuque boum boum.
Je pense à la fille du calif, de la mille et deuxième nuits,
Je sens la pointe d'un canif me percer le coeur je lui dis,

"Petite, je te sors ce soir, okey"?
Elle a d'abord un petit rire comme un hocquet,
Puis sous le sirocco du séchoir dans mes cheveux,
La petite garce laisse choir, "Je veux".



 
 Translation, s'il vous plait? Google Translate made a hash of it. 

Hey, where's Stingray to warn us that Beck is a Scientologist? 'Cause I don't want to get Scientologist cooties from listening to Beck's music. 
 CoYoT51 wrote:
Now it's easy to know that Beck is a huge fan of Serge Gainsbourg. Just listen to 1971 "Ballade de Melody Nelson" for instance and you'll see what I mean.
Beck is gifted, but not a genius.
 
Came here to say this. The resemblance to Gainsbourg's Histoire de Melody Nelson is unmistakeable.
 coccyx wrote:
dull
heavy handed
sham
 
Wrong, wrong, and wrong!  

One of Beck's absolute best;  a shame you can't appreciate the artistry here, Tailbone.   
Hearing this song reminds me a song of Caroline Loeb, C'est la ouate.
Beck twice today!
Yes exacly !
I love these last two lines !
 

CoYoT51 wrote:

Chez Max coiffeur pour homme,
Ou un jour j'entrais comme par hasard,
Me faire raser la couenne et raffraichir les nouilles,
Je tombe sur cette chienne, shampouineuse,
Qui aussitôt m'aveugle par sa beauté païenne et ses mains savoneuses.

Elle se penche et voilà ses doudounes,
comme deux rahat loukoum a la rose,
Qui rebondissent sur ma nuque boum boum.
Je pense à la fille du calif, de la mille et deuxième nuits,
Je sens la pointe d'un canif me percer le coeur je lui dis,

"Petite, je te sors ce soir, okey"?
Elle a d'abord un petit rire comme un hocquet,
Puis sous le sirocco du séchoir dans mes cheveux,
La petite garce laisse choir, "Je veux".

 


dull
heavy handed
sham
 sfoster66 wrote:
I want to like Beck, but just can't get there...does he always have to sound like he doesn't give a crumb about the lyrics...the lazy singing affectation drives me wild.  Get some passion, man.  Quit frickin' mumbling.  'Nuff said.
 
If his singing style "drives (you) wild", then that's a rousing of "passion" all by itself.   Given the subject matter of these lyrics, I'd say he's capturing the appropriate passion, but everyone has a different opinion.

Masterpiece album, fabulous song.  And I am not a Beck fan.  I think this is his only good album.
Beck.  Please, PLEASE, STFU.
I could take it better as an instrumental piece. His voice is an acquired taste - and I haven't acquired it.
Best strings since early 70s Elton John.
 toterola wrote:

Hey, I don't care if he has a statue of Baal in his house. The guy is one of the preeminent singer/songwriter/musicians of all time.

Who gives a sh*t what his religion is?

BTW, I think Scientology is a load, same as you. {#Daisy}
 
{#Eek}

 sfoster66 wrote:
I want to like Beck, but just can't get there...does he always have to sound like he doesn't give a crumb about the lyrics...the lazy singing affectation drives me wild.  Get some passion, man.  Quit frickin' mumbling.  'Nuff said.
 

When you feel the sort of emotions that this song evokes, you may not feel like shouting.

 lemmoth wrote:


Beck collaborated with Charlotte, Serge's daughter on her IRM album in 2009
 

Kewl! Didn't know that! However, I am fully aware that IRM is the best album of 2009 IMO.{#Notworthy}

Chez Max, coiffeur pour homme,
Où un jour j'entrais comme par hasard,
Me faire raser la couenne et raffraichir les nouilles,
Je tombe sur cette chienne, shampouineuse,
Qui aussitôt m'aveugle par sa beauté païenne et ses mains savoneuses.

Elle se penche et voilà ses doudounes,
comme deux rahat loukoum à la rose,
Qui rebondissent sur ma nuque boum boum.
Je pense à la fille du calif, de la mille et deuxième nuit,
Je sens la pointe d'un canif me percer le coeur je lui dis,

"Petite, je te sors ce soir, OK ?"
Elle a d'abord un petit rire comme un hocquet,
Puis sous le sirocco du séchoir dans mes cheveux,
La petite garce laisse choir, "Je veux".


Good solid tune.

Nice "same producer" seque from No Surprises
More Beck is better: bumper stickers should be issued.

Cheers.

{#Clap}
 toterola wrote:

Hey, I don't care if he has a statue of Baal in his house. The guy is one of the preeminent singer/songwriter/musicians of all time.

Who gives a sh*t what his religion is?

BTW, I think Scientology is a load, same as you.{#Daisy}
 

Exactly. 
 DoctorHooey wrote:
one of my top 10 albums of the aughts, and this track is among the best, even if it's such a Gainsbourg homage
 

Beck collaborated with Charlotte, Serge's daughter on her IRM album in 2009
one of my top 10 albums of the aughts, and this track is among the best, even if it's such a Gainsbourg homage
Now it's easy to know that Beck is a huge fan of Serge Gainsbourg. Just listen to 1971 "Ballade de Melody Nelson" for instance and you'll see what I mean.
Beck is gifted, but not a genius.
There's one road to the morning
There's one road to the truth
There's one road back to civilization
But there's no road back to you....
 Just take a moment to consider the passion and brilliance that went into the arrangement of this song.  That's all Beck too.  It's laziness on your part to focus on only one part of the work and then characterize the artist based on that.


sfoster66 wrote:
I want to like Beck, but just can't get there...does he always have to sound like he doesn't give a crumb about the lyrics...the lazy singing affectation drives me wild.  Get some passion, man.  Quit frickin' mumbling.  'Nuff said.
 

I want to like Beck, but just can't get there...does he always have to sound like he doesn't give a crumb about the lyrics...the lazy singing affectation drives me wild.  Get some passion, man.  Quit frickin' mumbling.  'Nuff said.
 amoreena wrote:
Anyone else hear Madman Across the Water channeled here?
 
Yup.  I think that's one of my favorite parts of this song.

 YourNameHere wrote:
Beck is the only positive association I have regarding Scientology.  I think the organization is corrupt and bat shit crazy, but god bless them if they had any role in scrambling Beck's mind to cause it to create all of this great music.
 
 
Hey, I don't care if he has a statue of Baal in his house. The guy is one of the preeminent singer/songwriter/musicians of all time.

Who gives a sh*t what his religion is?

BTW, I think Scientology is a load, same as you.{#Daisy}
 YourNameHere wrote:
Beck is the only positive association I have regarding Scientology.  I think the organization is corrupt and bat shit crazy, but god bless them if they had any role in scrambling Beck's mind to cause it to create all of this great music.
 
 
I had no idea whatsoever of this fact regarding Scientology and Beck.
It most definitely hurts my view of him regardless of how many excellent cuts he's written.
I doubt that the cult is the reason for his brilliant musical skills though.

Beck is the only positive association I have regarding Scientology.  I think the organization is corrupt and bat shit crazy, but god bless them if they had any role in scrambling Beck's mind to cause it to create all of this great music.
 


great CD. One of those my kids snuck out of my collection and has not returned yet. Passes that test!
 grandkrok wrote:
Beck is pretty goog. It's a mix with S. Gainsbourg... HE won't be upset about it.. And let's the music bless him.
My band was playing in a squat at Geneve (ch) on the 3/2/1991 (2 march 1991, for us in Europe).
 In the middle of the show  it was tell HE was dead ; we thought it was a belge  joke.HAHaHA.
 At the morning, the daylies such as "Le Matin" fronted Gainsbourg 's gone...
Sad day for all fellows and for everyone...
So I'm glad BECK mixed it  with heart.
 
I have no idea what you are talking about.... {#Confused}
I urge all listeners who haven't heard it - this song clearly rips off Serge Gainsbourg's 1971 album Histoire de Melody Nelson - and if you like this tune, you'll love the real thing. If you're only going to have one French language record this is it.
Beck is pretty goog. It's a mix with S. Gainsbourg... HE won't be upset about it.. And let's the music bless him.
My band was playing in a squat at Geneve (ch) on the 3/2/1991 (2 march 1991, for us in Europe).
 In the middle of the show  it was tell HE was dead ; we thought it was a belge  joke.HAHaHA.
 At the morning, the daylies such as "Le Matin" fronted Gainsbourg 's gone...
Sad day for all fellows and for everyone...
So I'm glad BECK mixed it  with heart.
 daveesh wrote:
i keep reading all kinds of malarky like "he stole the the strings from so-and-so..." or "he ripped this riff off of blah-blah-blah..." 

big deal! so you recognize something. i'm sure that's the point. what, did you think he was trying to put one over on you? his music is derivative. it's his style. he picks up riffs and sound effects and samples from all kinds of musical genres, then weaves them into something uniquely his own. that's what is great about beck and what i find endlessly fascinating.
 
I agree. This is totally different from someone endlessly repeating the defining hook of a 70's or 80's hit with a beat mixed underneath it. Like the horrid "Call on me" from Prydz which rapes a Steve Winwood song, or Madonna using an expensive but creatively cheap sample from an ABBA hit.

 daveesh wrote:
did i mention that i love this tune? 

i keep reading all kinds of malarky like "he stole the the strings from so-and-so..." or "he ripped this riff off of blah-blah-blah..." 

big deal! so you recognize something. i'm sure that's the point. what, did you think he was trying to put one over on you? his music is derivative. it's his style. he picks up riffs and sound effects and samples from all kinds of musical genres, then weaves them into something uniquely his own. that's what is great about beck and what i find endlessly fascinating.
 
Couldn't agree with you more. The guy lives and breaths music, he's one of the most interesting artists going today.

lewie221 - So true, unfortunately instead of audio quality the music biz went in the direction to audio portability, hence digital files, ipods, etc. It's too bad because the sound quality on some of those SA-CDs is amazing.
This song (and set) was a definite highlight when he played at the Hollywood Bowl last fall. Had his dad's orchestra backing - it was pretty sensational.


Ahhh...  from Beck's last great album.  Let's hope there's another one in the future.
Beck is undoubtedly one of the most creative and unique talents going today. 
I thought this was Lou Reed for a moment.

This guy has so many different grooves. I am constantly impressed by his range. Great stuff Bill. 


This album singlehandedly changed my attitude about Beck.  Great album from beginning to end.
did i mention that i love this tune? 

i keep reading all kinds of malarky like "he stole the the strings from so-and-so..." or "he ripped this riff off of blah-blah-blah..." 

big deal! so you recognize something. i'm sure that's the point. what, did you think he was trying to put one over on you? his music is derivative. it's his style. he picks up riffs and sound effects and samples from all kinds of musical genres, then weaves them into something uniquely his own. that's what is great about beck and what i find endlessly fascinating.


Anyone else hear Madman Across the Water channeled here?
It's a shame SA-CD never caught on. I have a 5-channel mix of this album and it's mindblowing. Lights out, toke up if that's your thing, lie in the middle of the floor and be amazed.
 AlienRelic wrote:
Beck's music has been growing on me since I first heard him, but I'm not especially fond of this. Too much orchestration for me.
 

I agree, he grows on me also, but I love the orchestration.  It is LARGE. 
The strings remind me a little of the Shawshenk Redemtion music.

I think he is channeling David Bowie Alladin Sane in the cover for this album. All he needs is the drop of mercury on his shoulder.

Hey, somebody added lyrics to David Holmes' (Serge Gainsbourg's) Don't Die Just Yet.


Beck's music has been growing on me since I first heard him, but I'm not especially fond of this. Too much orchestration for me.


This guy amazes me. Never heard of him prior to RP. I keep hearing a tune here and there. He's so risky, unique. Never know what's coming next. This is a true artist. Bravo.
Monkeysdad wrote:
Love this. Anyone else hear some Zero 7 in there?
Definitely, def.
Best song from the best Beck album, so far. Heartbreak seems to be a good muse, however sad it may be.
we were dead before the ship even sank.
WLS_AM890 wrote:
Great stuff indeed from Beck - very different from his norm, but my favorite album. His muse here was not chemical - it was acute melancholia from a bad break-up.
So, in fact it was chemical. Right?
This is the ultimate breakup album. Seriously. Anyone going through a fresh breakup should get this - you will bawl your eyes out and be over it in record time. This is easily my favorite Beck album. Soooo good start to back. Much props to Nigel Godrich.
alph wrote:
Sneaky. Great stuff from Beck. This album has always been one of my favorites. It's like Beck took valium for a few months and ended up with enough material to cut a record. And it's titled very appropriately when you consider that it followed Midnite Vultures.
Great stuff indeed from Beck - very different from his norm, but my favorite album. His muse here was not chemical - it was acute melancholia from a bad break-up.
Sneaky. Great stuff from Beck. This album has always been one of my favorites. It's like Beck took valium for a few months and ended up with enough material to cut a record. And it's titled very appropriately when you consider that it followed Midnite Vultures.
Verpeiler wrote:
Is the whole album this cool and relaxed?
it's very melancholy
total geklaut ( fast 1 ZU 1 ) bei serge gainsbourg`s historie de melody nelson
Monkeysdad wrote:
Love this. Anyone else hear some Zero 7 in there?
Some? I thought this might be their new CD. Is the whole album this cool and relaxed?
The live show is awesome.
healyf52 wrote:
The more I listen, the more I appreciate Beck. I'm becomming a fan. He's honest, not trying to manipulate, he's true to himself and it shows in his music.
Go see him live--he won me over as a complete fan after that...
Sorry for me English, i'm french but ... Doctorhooey said : " YEAH! Love this!!! Straight outta Melody Nelson but DAMN it just kills." To listen to this song " Melody nelson " ... French song but ... https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2qqpa_serge-gainsbourg-melody-nelson_music Bye ...
Love this. Anyone else hear some Zero 7 in there?
The more I listen, the more I appreciate Beck. I\'m becomming a fan. He\'s honest, not trying to manipulate, he\'s true to himself and it shows in his music.
and the great set continues...
YEAH! Love this!!! Straight outta Melody Nelson but DAMN it just kills.
Not the best track from this album - that would be Track 1 - The Golden Age, but a good one nonetheless. This whole album is great - as is Mutations...his two "mellow" albums. I enjoy his hip-hop parodies as much as the next person - in fact, they are often some of the best songs in the genre, but his genius is more readily apparent when he chills out.
beck... yechhhh.
One of his best, in my view. His lyrics aren't nonsense in this one and the instrumentation has more conviction and complexity than usual. A very strong effort.
nothing like a divorce to inspire some awesome music. most artist's "breakup" albums tend to be some of their best work. electronicshaman wrote:
I'm glad it's not just me. This album is such a heartbreaker.
Love, love, LOVE this strings in this! Really effective! All in all, this is a fantastic album, just a little too depressing for everyday use.
Since this CD is in my media closet, I'll have to pull it out and give it a listen.