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Elliott Smith — Angeles
Album: Either/Or
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Released: 1997
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Someone's always coming around here
Trailing some new kill
Says "I've seen your picture on a
Hundred-dollar bill"
What's a game of chance to you,
To him is one of real skill

So glad to meet you, Angeles

Picking up the ticket shows there's
Money to be made
Go on, lose the gamble that's the
History of the trade
Did you add up all the cards left to play
To zero

And sign up with evil, Angeles?

Don't start me trying now
Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh

'Cause I'm all over it, Angeles

I can make you satisfied in
Everything you do
All your secret wishes could right
Now be coming true
And be forever with my poison arms
Around you

No one's gonna fool around with us
No one's gonna fool around with us
So glad to meet'cha, Angeles
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Interesting that he's wearing a Bocephus TV shirt.
Posted 9 months ago by bimmerfan739    [ Reply ]
The ever popular tortured artist effect.
Posted 6 years ago by LPCity    [ Reply ]
 Baketown wrote:

His songs fit into Good Will Hunting so well.  It really capture the mood of the movie!



 
Totally agree! {#Meditate}

Too bad we will not here from him again..
Posted 8 years ago by RoelantSiekman    [ Reply ]
Gambling is addictive, may be contagious too.
Posted 9 years ago by twoplain2sea    [ Reply ]
 GarageDragon wrote:
the problem with this song is that it ends too soon.
 
this.
Posted 9 years ago by milleronic    [ Reply ]
the problem with this song is that it ends too soon.
Posted 9 years ago by GarageDragon    [ Reply ]
Tought it was Sparklehorse.
Posted 10 years ago by Kaw    [ Reply ]
So lovable...when the first few played cords make you eyes getting wet..out of joy about what's yet to come..{#Hearteyes}{#Flamed}
Posted 10 years ago by eno    [ Reply ]
Wimpy-city!
Posted 10 years ago by jagdriver    [ Reply ]

His songs fit into Good Will Hunting so well.  It really capture the mood of the movie!


Posted 10 years ago by Baketown    [ Reply ]
 pkimbrel wrote:
I have to agree.  I never was a big fan of his work.  His was a tragic tale, but I'm still not a fan.
 
Yeah, I fail to hear anything appealing about his voice. I need a PSD control for my home theater A~V receiver.
Posted 10 years ago by jagdriver    [ Reply ]
 Johnny_Wave wrote:
This guy's songs all sound the same and I agree he gets played too much on RP.   A 3 at best IMHO

 
IMHO - there is an undeniable soulfulness and Essence to his music - raw, authentic, fundamental and moving.
Posted 10 years ago by aspicer    [ Reply ]


Elliott Smith singing Angeles at the Yo-Yo A Go-Go Festival in Olympia, WA on 7-17-1999.


Posted 10 years ago by calypsus_1    [ Reply ]
 Johnny_Wave wrote:
This guy's songs all sound the same and I agree he gets played too much on RP.   A 3 at best IMHO
 
I have to agree.  I never was a big fan of his work.  His was a tragic tale, but I'm still not a fan.
Posted 10 years ago by pkimbrel    [ Reply ]
This guy's songs all sound the same and I agree he gets played too much on RP.   A 3 at best IMHO
Posted 10 years ago by Johnny_Wave    [ Reply ]
 lily34 wrote:
i swear this gets played every single day or every other day.
 
It's such a compelling and luscious song, it's quite memorable and sticks with you. Personally, I'm glad to have heard Elliott Smith on RP—had I known him in the day, I would have been extremely bummed on word of his tragic death. I'm still very sad about it but I can appreciate his immense talent even better knowing what we now know; almost like having a time machine.
Posted 11 years ago by Carl    [ Reply ]
 MojoJojo wrote:
I downloaded the album. While this is my favorite, the whole set is unbeatable.

I listened to this last weekend as I did a 52 mile (bicycle) training ride. I usually pick very up-tempo songs to keep me pedaling strong, but I found this album to be a refreshing change and I found I could still keep an intense pace.  

 
Interesting story
Posted 11 years ago by Krispian    [ Reply ]
Is it a bad thing if this gets played a lot? Or any other Elliott Smith song for that matter? I don't think so... 
Posted 11 years ago by gonzafr    [ Reply ]
 lily34 wrote:
i swear this gets played every single day or every other day.
Kanuffen wrote:

Should we have grounds to doubt RP's play statistics? Open question....

 
I have been listening to RP for a while and I have never caught this particular song before. So I would say: no we do not have grounds to doubt the statistics.
Posted 11 years ago by JHZ    [ Reply ]
 aspicer wrote:
Just got 3 of his albums the other day and listened to 2 of them straight through last night - he is EXCELLENT!

 
Agreed. Unfortunately that would be WAS excellent.
Posted 11 years ago by ziakut    [ Reply ]
Just got 3 of his albums the other day and listened to 2 of them straight through last night - he is EXCELLENT!
Posted 11 years ago by aspicer    [ Reply ]
I downloaded the album. While this is my favorite, the whole set is unbeatable.

I listened to this last weekend as I did a 52 mile (bicycle) training ride. I usually pick very up-tempo songs to keep me pedaling strong, but I found this album to be a refreshing change and I found I could still keep an intense pace.  
Posted 11 years ago by MojoJojo    [ Reply ]

Never get tired of it!


Posted 11 years ago by Baketown    [ Reply ]
 lily34 wrote:
i swear this gets played every single day or every other day.
 
Should we have grounds to doubt RP's play statistics? Open question....
Posted 11 years ago by Kanuffen    [ Reply ]
 rdo wrote:
 

I really believe the curse of being someone like me, someone who is basically down all of the time and has experienced depression, is made up for with the blessing that we get to experience great music/art/literature/film etc...  I don't think happy people do.  I have never met, or read the writing of, a truly happy person whose opinion on these matters I respect.  It's not that I think it is a prerequisite, or a pose or something; it's just that happy people don't understand art - they are not equipped.  It's not a choice, and nothing can help them. 

 
I once heard an author say that he believed that he was most effective as an author when he was in a semi-melancholy state. For whatever reason, I would agree that the tenuous state of 'sanity' (for lack of a better word) that comes to be whilst in emotionally turbulent times can foster richer feelings and a deeper sense of soul, if you will.

But I would not go as far as to say that truly happy people have unvaluable input and appreciation of creative media.  I might say, however, that a truly happy person might not be able to proporly articulate the emotive effects or particular details of how, why, where and when a particular piece of music, art or whatever evokes appreciation or an emotional response.

That limbo between sadness and happiness may be that key. Or I am just talking shit.
Posted 11 years ago by Kanuffen    [ Reply ]
 lily34 wrote:
i swear this gets played every single day or every other day.
 
And thank goodness for that!
Posted 11 years ago by BijouBijou    [ Reply ]

Posted 11 years ago by Kanuffen    [ Reply ]
 rdo wrote:
 

I really believe the curse of being someone like me, someone who is basically down all of the time and has experienced depression, is made up for with the blessing that we get to experience great music/art/literature/film etc...  I don't think happy people do.  I have never met, or read the writing of, a truly happy person whose opinion on these matters I respect.  It's not that I think it is a prerequisite, or a pose or something; it's just that happy people don't understand art - they are not equipped.  It's not a choice, and nothing can help them. 

 
That is insightful, and very true. I got those goosebump things when I read this. I guess it somehow hit home.
Posted 11 years ago by gemtag    [ Reply ]
This song is an 11.  IMHO as good as songwriting gets.

I could make you satisfied in everything you do
All your secret wishes could right now be coming true
And be forever with my poison arms around you
No one's gonna fool around with us
No one's gonna fool around with us
So glad to meet you
Angeles

With that finger-picking - fucking gorgeous.
Either/Or is simply an amazing LP - my favorite of his - the album in between one guitar & obscurity and underground popularity & the Grammy s.


Posted 12 years ago by Biscobret    [ Reply ]
i swear this gets played every single day or every other day.
Posted 12 years ago by lily34    [ Reply ]
I love Elliott's work.  So sad that there will not be more.
Posted 12 years ago by casey1024    [ Reply ]
 horstman wrote:


You are either an insensitive person or just have a narrow grasp of the english language and how you put your thoughts on paper/keypad.

Elliot's fate was far worse than the "surfer" in that he was a depressed man who eventually lost the battle with his demons. What we got out of this deal was a volume of music that reflects this depression. And this is a common depression that has permeated many of us, and made us think about those feelings and how they effect our lives.

And that's the beauty of a truly great artist . . . they make you think and take the experiences of another and put them into a personal perspective.

Love Elliot for his contributions to music and influence in my life.
  

I really believe the curse of being someone like me, someone who is basically down all of the time and has experienced depression, is made up for with the blessing that we get to experience great music/art/literature/film etc...  I don't think happy people do.  I have never met, or read the writing of, a truly happy person whose opinion on these matters I respect.  It's not that I think it is a prerequisite, or a pose or something; it's just that happy people don't understand art - they are not equipped.  It's not a choice, and nothing can help them. 

Posted 12 years ago by rdo    [ Reply ]
 Biscobret wrote:
 
He was a depressed man with demons, but I'd say that he was putting his life together.  

I can't think of anyone ever actually stabbing themselves twice in the chest as a way to kill themselves.  I'll believe it was a suicide shortly after I believe that the moon really is made out of green cheese. 
 
I agree - from Wiki:

Smith died on October 21, 2003, at age 34 from two stab wounds to the chest.<2> At the time of the stabbing, he was at his Lemoyne Street home in Echo Park, California,<63> where he lived with his girlfriend, Jennifer Chiba. According to Chiba, the two were arguing,<35> and she locked herself in the bathroom to take a shower.<64> Chiba heard him scream, and upon opening the door, saw Smith standing with a knife in his chest. She pulled the knife out, after which he collapsed and she called 9-1-1. Smith died in the hospital with the time of death listed as 1:36 p.m. A possible suicide note, written on a Post-it, read, "I'm so sorry—love, Elliott. God forgive me."<2> The coroner's report had the name Elliott misspelled as "Elliot," however "a coroner's official told TSG that Smith's first name was misspelled in the report," not on the Post-it note.<2>

While Smith's death was originally reported as a suicide, the official autopsy report released in December 2003 left open the question of possible homicide.<2>

According to Pitchfork Media, record producer Larry Crane reported on his Tape Op message board that he had planned to help Smith mix his album in mid-November. Crane wrote, "I hadn't talked to Elliott in over a year. His girlfriend, Jennifer, called me and asked if I'd like to come to L.A. and help mix and finish . I said yes, of course, and chatted with Elliott for the first time in ages. It seems surreal that he would call me to finish an album and then a week later kill himself. I talked to Jennifer this morning, who was obviously shattered and in tears, and she said, 'I don't understand, he was so healthy.'"<65>

The coroner's report revealed that no traces of illegal substances or alcohol were found in his system at the time of his death, but did find prescribed levels of antidepressant, anxiolytic and ADHD medications in his system, including Clonazepam, Mirtazapine, Atomoxetine and Amphetamine.<66> Also, no hesitation wounds were found on Smith, a trait typical of suicide by self infliction.<35> With his death not being officially declared a suicide, journalist Alyson Camus noted numerous discrepancies and contradictions in the case that suggest foul play.<67><68><69> However, the authorities do not seem to be investigating the case further.<70>

But there was a note.  Who knows? I know few people, maybe no one, who can really make sense of it all (life)  in the big picture. Perhaps that Universal Dilemma got him?  Or was it a more sinister (if prosaic) fate that befell him?

Obviously this very gifted guy had great talent, and was with a person who seems to have really loved him.  He also had, to this untrained but experienced eye, a rather weird (to all be prescribed at once—were they?) and toxic brew of psycho-tropic drugs. It is interesting that you note "prescribed levels were found". With that recipe, anything is possible, imo. No OD needed here.

Whatever happened, it ended tragically....for so many... who were his family, his loved ones and friends and, of course, those who appreciated his music.


Posted 12 years ago by ScottN    [ Reply ]
 
He was a depressed man with demons, but I'd say that he was putting his life together.  

I can't think of anyone ever actually stabbing themselves twice in the chest as a way to kill themselves.  I'll believe it was a suicide shortly after I believe that the moon really is made out of green cheese. 
 
I agree - from Wiki:

Smith died on October 21, 2003, at age 34 from two stab wounds to the chest.<2> At the time of the stabbing, he was at his Lemoyne Street home in Echo Park, California,<63> where he lived with his girlfriend, Jennifer Chiba. According to Chiba, the two were arguing,<35> and she locked herself in the bathroom to take a shower.<64> Chiba heard him scream, and upon opening the door, saw Smith standing with a knife in his chest. She pulled the knife out, after which he collapsed and she called 9-1-1. Smith died in the hospital with the time of death listed as 1:36 p.m. A possible suicide note, written on a Post-it, read, "I'm so sorry—love, Elliott. God forgive me."<2> The coroner's report had the name Elliott misspelled as "Elliot," however "a coroner's official told TSG that Smith's first name was misspelled in the report," not on the Post-it note.<2>

While Smith's death was originally reported as a suicide, the official autopsy report released in December 2003 left open the question of possible homicide.<2>

According to Pitchfork Media, record producer Larry Crane reported on his Tape Op message board that he had planned to help Smith mix his album in mid-November. Crane wrote, "I hadn't talked to Elliott in over a year. His girlfriend, Jennifer, called me and asked if I'd like to come to L.A. and help mix and finish . I said yes, of course, and chatted with Elliott for the first time in ages. It seems surreal that he would call me to finish an album and then a week later kill himself. I talked to Jennifer this morning, who was obviously shattered and in tears, and she said, 'I don't understand, he was so healthy.'"<65>

The coroner's report revealed that no traces of illegal substances or alcohol were found in his system at the time of his death, but did find prescribed levels of antidepressant, anxiolytic and ADHD medications in his system, including Clonazepam, Mirtazapine, Atomoxetine and Amphetamine.<66> Also, no hesitation wounds were found on Smith, a trait typical of suicide by self infliction.<35> With his death not being officially declared a suicide, journalist Alyson Camus noted numerous discrepancies and contradictions in the case that suggest foul play.<67><68><69> However, the authorities do not seem to be investigating the case further.<70>


Posted 12 years ago by Biscobret    [ Reply ]
My favorite Elliot Smith album - one of those *perfect* albums.  There has never been more beautiful, heartfelt music made by anyone, anytime, anywhere.  A true genius (& a true tragedy.)

{#Daisy} {#Daisy} {#Daisy} {#Daisy}
Posted 12 years ago by Biscobret    [ Reply ]
 BijouBijou wrote:
PRETTY SURE EVERY SINGLE SONG BY ELLIOTT SMITH SHOULD BE A ONE. Don't even have to think about it.
 
FYT


Posted 12 years ago by jagdriver    [ Reply ]
haresfur wrote:
I want to like Elliott Smith more than I do but I just can't get past his dying, dumbsh*t.  Listening to his music is like the time I spent about 10 long minutes watching a huge barge bearing down on a fallen windsurfer who couldn't get back up.  But that fellow got his act together and the outcome was better.
   

horstman wrote:


You are either an insensitive person or just have a narrow grasp of the english language and how you put your thoughts on paper/keypad.

Elliot's fate was far worse than the "surfer" in that he was a depressed man who eventually lost the battle with his demons. What we got out of this deal was a volume of music that reflects this depression. And this is a common depression that has permeated many of us, and made us think about those feelings and how they effect our lives.

And that's the beauty of a truly great artist . . . they make you think and take the experiences of another and put them into a personal perspective.

Love Elliot for his contributions to music and influence in my life.
 
He was a depressed man with demons, but I'd say that he was putting his life together.  

I can't think of anyone ever actually stabbing themselves twice in the chest as a way to kill themselves.  I'll believe it was a suicide shortly after I believe that the moon really is made out of green cheese. 
Posted 12 years ago by Byronape    [ Reply ]
PRETTY SURE EVERY SINGLE SONG BY ELLIOTT SMITH SHOULD BE A TEN. Don't even have to think about it.
Posted 12 years ago by BijouBijou    [ Reply ]
Gone too soon. I love his style and approach. The doubled lead vocal sometimes wears thin a bit, but it IS a distinctive sound he's used often in his recordings. This tactic is sometimes used to disguise the weaker vocals of a vocalist. This isn't how ES uses it...but I do like anyhow.
Posted 12 years ago by ziakut    [ Reply ]
Still a great song.
Posted 12 years ago by mmoyer    [ Reply ]
 haresfur wrote:
I want to like Elliott Smith more than I do but I just can't get past his dying, dumbsh*t.  Listening to his music is like the time I spent about 10 long minutes watching a huge barge bearing down on a fallen windsurfer who couldn't get back up.  But that fellow got his act together and the outcome was better.
 

You are either an insensitive person or just have a narrow grasp of the english language and how you put your thoughts on paper/keypad.

Elliot's fate was far worse than the "surfer" in that he was a depressed man who eventually lost the battle with his demons. What we got out of this deal was a volume of music that reflects this depression. And this is a common depression that has permeated many of us, and made us think about those feelings and how they effect our lives.

And that's the beauty of a truly great artist . . . they make you think and take the experiences of another and put them into a personal perspective.

Love Elliot for his contributions to music and influence in my life.
Posted 12 years ago by horstman    [ Reply ]
 haresfur wrote:
I want to like Elliott Smith more than I do but I just can't get past his dying, dumbsh*t.  Listening to his music is like the time I spent about 10 long minutes watching a huge barge bearing down on a fallen windsurfer who couldn't get back up.  But that fellow got his act together and the outcome was better.
 

Rather cold to refer to someone who suffered from severe depression as a "dumbshit".

Posted 12 years ago by chyk5    [ Reply ]
I want to like Elliott Smith more than I do but I just can't get past his dying, dumbsh*t.  Listening to his music is like the time I spent about 10 long minutes watching a huge barge bearing down on a fallen windsurfer who couldn't get back up.  But that fellow got his act together and the outcome was better.
Posted 12 years ago by haresfur    [ Reply ]
lots of fuss...decent artist.

Posted 12 years ago by MiracleDrug    [ Reply ]
One of the true rock poets of the last years.
Posted 12 years ago by nicknt    [ Reply ]
 Huey wrote:
Really very good. yes, very good, very very good. 9.
 
So you like it then?

Posted 13 years ago by TimeWaster    [ Reply ]
Really very good. yes, very good, very very good. 9.
Posted 13 years ago by Huey    [ Reply ]


Song "Cupid's Trick",  Album Either/Or.  Personnel: Elliott Smith (vocals, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, piano). RIP Elliott.

"Rarely can a song contain such an intense gamut of emotions as "Cupid's Trick" does and still remain cohesive. Sadness, numbness, confusion, anger, desperation and etc. all exude from the songs turbulent music. While most of the album's lyrics (and Smith's lyrics in general) are fantastic, the lyrics don't drive "Cupid's Trick". Smith would even admit in an interview that the meaning behind the lyrics was lost on him too."




Posted 13 years ago by calypsus_1    [ Reply ]
Now this one I like better before the voice came in but still pretty cool.
Posted 13 years ago by Sloggydog    [ Reply ]

so nice.


Posted 13 years ago by soulcollision    [ Reply ]
 rabbi_phil wrote:
I really hate that probably half of my favorite artists didn't make it and here's another. Really liked the music and was looking forward to so so much. Damn.              ( Ironically this album was released on Kill Rock Stars  Records)
 
So true! Did he even realize how talented he was, and how he effected his listeners?
Posted 13 years ago by lshinkawa    [ Reply ]
I really hate that probably half of my favorite artists didn't make it and here's another. Really liked the music and was looking forward to so so much. Damn.              ( Ironically this album was released on Kill Rock Stars  Records)


Posted 13 years ago by DD rabbi_phil    [ Reply ]
 moonsaura wrote:
Ok slightly unrelated, but I have to mention this.

My 2.5 year old girl listens to RP most of the day with us, this morning her favorites were: The Beatles (Get Back), Pink Floyd, Arcade Fire (Keep the Car Running), Kate Bush and Elliott Smith. When she likes a song, she asks me "who is this?" and I give her the name of the group or artist. She repeats it back to me in the most adorable toddler voice. I noticed her choices are not an accident, she seems to always ask when The Beatles and Pink Floyd comes on for example.

I am so thankful that RP is allowing me to expose her to music I would not have available or know about (not the above list, but I heard about Mumford + Sons at RP fro example).

Thank you again.


 
Nice
My 2 year old grandson does the same thing..."who's that"?
Sponges!

Posted 13 years ago by boober    [ Reply ]
One of the things that always amazed me about Elliott Smith was how angelic his voice and recordings were relative to his hard lifestyle. You would expect the guy to sound like Tom Waits and he just sounded so "pure" for lack of a better term. 

Posted 13 years ago by bbryan    [ Reply ]
 jtdiver wrote:
This song and entire album for that matter will never get old and only sounds better with age. 10-Godlike.

 

Yea, I'll buy that.{#Yes}
Posted 13 years ago by sirdroseph    [ Reply ]
This song and entire album for that matter will never get old and only sounds better with age. 10-Godlike.

Posted 13 years ago by jtdiver    [ Reply ]
Either/Or is a CD by a top notch artist at the top of his game. Every song is A+. He would never top this one.
Posted 13 years ago by Biscobret    [ Reply ]
"And what's a game of chance to you, to him is one
Of real skill"

One of my favorite lyrics from ES (or from anyone, for that matter).  RIP, Elliott.  I
hope you've found happiness at last.
Posted 13 years ago by frink_1    [ Reply ]
Ok slightly unrelated, but I have to mention this.

My 2.5 year old girl listens to RP most of the day with us, this morning her favorites were: The Beatles (Get Back), Pink Floyd, Arcade Fire (Keep the Car Running), Kate Bush and Elliott Smith. When she likes a song, she asks me "who is this?" and I give her the name of the group or artist. She repeats it back to me in the most adorable toddler voice. I noticed her choices are not an accident, she seems to always ask when The Beatles and Pink Floyd comes on for example.

I am so thankful that RP is allowing me to expose her to music I would not have available or know about (not the above list, but I heard about Mumford + Sons at RP fro example).

Thank you again.


Posted 13 years ago by moonsaura    [ Reply ]
I had to do it.     9 just wasn't enough. +1

Posted 14 years ago by MojoJojo    [ Reply ]
 Emerald** wrote:
What an angel! Nice voice
 
{#Yes}
Posted 14 years ago by Nadine    [ Reply ]
 Emerald** wrote:
What an angel! Nice voice
 


Posted 14 years ago by jagdriver    [ Reply ]
Timeless
Posted 14 years ago by Asmith    [ Reply ]
Didn't know anything about this fellow until I heard him here, of course. Still don't. Seems more than a bit troubled before his death; his music is quite haunting.
Posted 14 years ago by michaelgmitchell    [ Reply ]
What an angel! Nice voice
Posted 14 years ago by Emerald**    [ Reply ]
Ahhhh, The Maestro!
Posted 14 years ago by SpeckDog    [ Reply ]

Nice transition - "Bad Reputation" to "Angeles" - sweet.


Posted 14 years ago by CatFitz    [ Reply ]
 horstman wrote:

Are you infering to Michael Hutchence of INXS? Because that is pretty tasteless.

Elliot had a lot of issues. And one or more of those issues caused him to kill himself. It's sad but nothing can be done other than to apprecieate his music and what he gave us when he was alive. I feel fortunate to have discovered him at all. He has touched my life and soul and for that I am grateful.

Thank you Elliot, wherever you are.{#Wave}

 

Isn't that the way David Carradine went too? Pretty weird.{#Eek}
Posted 14 years ago by sirdroseph    [ Reply ]
 mrdak wrote:

I can't see how anyone wouldn't love this man's voice and music. 



 
The music and his voice touches me somehow. I like it!!

Posted 14 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]

I can't see how anyone wouldn't love this man's voice and music. 



Posted 14 years ago by mrdak    [ Reply ]
 horstman wrote:

Are you infering to Michael Hutchence of INXS? Because that is pretty tasteless.

Elliot had a lot of issues. And one or more of those issues caused him to kill himself. It's sad but nothing can be done other than to apprecieate his music and what he gave us when he was alive. I feel fortunate to have discovered him at all. He has touched my life and soul and for that I am grateful.

Thank you Elliot, wherever you are.{#Wave}

 
i agree....pretty tasteless.
elliot was a poet.  may his spirit be eternal.
we miss him.


Posted 14 years ago by dollmouse    [ Reply ]
00 {#Arrowl} 0
Posted 14 years ago by jagdriver    [ Reply ]
One of my Elliot Smith favs, no doubt!
Posted 15 years ago by sirdroseph    [ Reply ]
9 —> 10
Posted 15 years ago by Nadine    [ Reply ]
 Jungle_Jim wrote:
Elliott Smith is something special - I try to ignore his death and focus on how good the songs are. Without being patronizing, many of his songs - including this one - are flawed masterpieces. He's the master of flawed masterpieces.
 

"Death is the mother of all beauty."  (Wallace Stevens)
Posted 15 years ago by rdo    [ Reply ]
 ThePoose wrote:


So the ultimate in marketing would be flogging the product of a singer-songwriter who strangled to death while masturbating.
 
Are you infering to Michael Hutchence of INXS? Because that is pretty tasteless.

Elliot had a lot of issues. And one or more of those issues caused him to kill himself. It's sad but nothing can be done other than to apprecieate his music and what he gave us when he was alive. I feel fortunate to have discovered him at all. He has touched my life and soul and for that I am grateful.

Thank you Elliot, wherever you are.{#Wave}

Posted 15 years ago by horstman    [ Reply ]
 bluedot wrote:
are you insinuating that he was murdered?  just trying to understand your post...

 orpheus wrote:
from what I understand, Elliot died from a stab wound to the chest while another person was present and was not in the process of getting himself off at the time {#Eh}
 
 

no, from what I understand, he committed suicide after getting into a fight with his girlfriend (if this info is correct) while she was in the other part of the apt/house. He stabbed himself unfortunately.{#Skull}
Posted 15 years ago by orpheus    [ Reply ]
are you insinuating that he was murdered?  just trying to understand your post...

 orpheus wrote:
from what I understand, Elliot died from a stab wound to the chest while another person was present and was not in the process of getting himself off at the time {#Eh}
 


Posted 15 years ago by bluedot    [ Reply ]
Elliott Smith is something special - I try to ignore his death and focus on how good the songs are. Without being patronizing, many of his songs - including this one - are flawed masterpieces. He's the master of flawed masterpieces.
Posted 15 years ago by Jungle_Jim    [ Reply ]
from what I understand, Elliot died from a stab wound to the chest while another person was present and was not in the process of getting himself off at the time {#Eh}
Posted 15 years ago by orpheus    [ Reply ]
I like this
Posted 15 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]

More than any other song on RP this one sounds awful on my little Bose computer speakers.  I love the song though. 


Posted 15 years ago by rdo    [ Reply ]
do you ever feel like whispering? shouting? groaning? sometimes we sing too. I like music that reflects true life experience, emotion. - 10

 Papernapkin wrote:
Where's the song? Just whispering. So tired of whispering.
 


Posted 15 years ago by songbirdfemme    [ Reply ]
 ThePoose wrote:
So the ultimate in marketing would be flogging the product of a singer-songwriter who strangled to death while masturbating.
 


Posted 15 years ago by ScottFromWyoming    [ Reply ]
Wow...this set just keeps getting better and better!
Posted 15 years ago by scraig    [ Reply ]
Speak up, son.
Posted 15 years ago by stewliscious    [ Reply ]
 Atlantis wrote:

Yes, sadly.

Death, particularly suicide, sells better than sex.
 

That's because sex comes and goes—pun intended—but death is final, and the artist's canon is complete—and now collectible in no uncertain terms. I remember rushing to buy John Lennon's last LP in 1980 because I thought they would all be bought up by others.
Posted 15 years ago by ThePoose    [ Reply ]
Where's the song? Just whispering. So tired of whispering.
Posted 15 years ago by Papernapkin    [ Reply ]
 ScottyB wrote:


I can certainly see that regarding the early albums, but have you sat down and given XO and Figure 8 a listen?
 

I'm a big fan of Figure 8 as well. Very diverse album there.
Posted 16 years ago by Darlington    [ Reply ]
no comment - 7.
Posted 16 years ago by calypsus_1    [ Reply ]
 ScottyB wrote:
I can certainly see that regarding the early albums, but have you sat down and given XO and Figure 8 a listen?
 
XO is awesome. Well rounded.

Posted 16 years ago by purplespider    [ Reply ]
Love it
Posted 16 years ago by piefection    [ Reply ]
schrodingersdog wrote:
I like Elliot Smith, but all of his songs sound very similar to me.
could be worse...some bands catalogue all sounds similarly sucky at least ES similarity throughout is pretty brilliant and utterly listenable
Posted 16 years ago by azdcryan    [ Reply ]
ive always loved him, and my workmate really liked this song when it came on, without knowing he was dead. so there!
Posted 16 years ago by songbirdfemme    [ Reply ]
omniphiliac wrote:
...That sucks, he won't be making any more tunes like this.
Thank God. Serious kill yourself music here.
Posted 16 years ago by bigB_3    [ Reply ]
Atlantis wrote:
Yes, sadly. Death, particularly suicide, sells better than sex.
So the ultimate in marketing would be flogging the product of a singer-songwriter who strangled to death while masturbating.
Posted 16 years ago by ThePoose    [ Reply ]
schrodingersdog wrote:
I like Elliot Smith, but all of his songs sound very similar to me.
I can certainly see that regarding the early albums, but have you sat down and given XO and Figure 8 a listen?
Posted 16 years ago by ScottyB    [ Reply ]
I like Elliot Smith, but all of his songs sound very similar to me.
Posted 16 years ago by schrodingersdog    [ Reply ]
Two stab wounds? Unless you're doing it with both hands at the same time, that might be hard to pull off.
Posted 16 years ago by Papernapkin    [ Reply ]
I am loving this song....The more I hear the more I am turned on! MORE PLEASE!
Posted 16 years ago by Nanners63    [ Reply ]
I like this guy in very small doses, far smaller than what RP has recommended lately. Somehow stabbing yourself in the heart is the best thing you can do for a career.
Posted 16 years ago by Wisecrowe    [ Reply ]
azdcryan wrote:
I guess brilliance doesn't have a seat at the table? C'mon...
...and I suppose people only realised this "brilliance" after he topped himself. C'mon yourself...
Posted 16 years ago by Atlantis    [ Reply ]
omniphiliac wrote:
Actually, while it was not what you would call mainstream, he had an enthusiastic fan base before he was dead. I was first exposed back in '98 or so...and he was leading edge cool at that time...a decade ago. Still rocks IMO and the only thing I think about him being dead is: That sucks, he won't be making any more tunes like this.
Oh I remember a few people being into him back in the day, but now it is just silly. Just like you see all those 14-year old kids with Nirvana shirts now. Suicide sells.
Posted 16 years ago by Atlantis    [ Reply ]
Atlantis wrote:
Yes, sadly. Death, particularly suicide, sells better than sex.
Actually, while it was not what you would call mainstream, he had an enthusiastic fan base before he was dead. I was first exposed back in '98 or so...and he was leading edge cool at that time...a decade ago. Still rocks IMO and the only thing I think about him being dead is: That sucks, he won't be making any more tunes like this.
Posted 16 years ago by omniphiliac    [ Reply ]
I am mid-western and know what it is about.
Posted 16 years ago by Yesnil    [ Reply ]
Atlantis wrote:
Yes, sadly. Death, particularly suicide, sells better than sex.
I guess brilliance doesn't have a seat at the table? C'mon...
Posted 16 years ago by azdcryan    [ Reply ]
pkimbrel wrote:
is all the hubbub around him due to the fact that he's dead?
Yes, sadly. Death, particularly suicide, sells better than sex.
Posted 16 years ago by Atlantis    [ Reply ]
He's pretty much a one man show that's what the hubbub is about. Vocals, Drums, Guitar, piano, keys, more vocals oh and yeah he writes the songs too. Pay attention to his lyrics sometime. That alone is worth the hubbub, bub. pkimbrel wrote:
I don't get Elliott. There, I said it. It's not horrible, but is all the hubbub around him due to the fact that he's dead? A co-worker of mine was all bonkers for his music and had me listen to a bunch of it like it was the greatest thing in the world. Okay. Not bad, but really not great. Maybe it's a California thing that we mid-westerners just don't get.
Posted 16 years ago by SpeckDog    [ Reply ]
OK Thanks. that explains itbodhisattva1031 wrote:
he did many of the songs for that movie--maybe that's why . . .
Posted 16 years ago by 1wolfy    [ Reply ]
pmnixa wrote:
I'm from the Midwest and I just gave this song a 10.
another midwesterner here--love elliot smith!
Posted 16 years ago by bodhisattva1031    [ Reply ]
1wolfy wrote:
I'm not sure why, but this reminds me of a Good Will Hunting movie tune. I see a broken hearted crying lady.
he did many of the songs for that movie--maybe that's why . . .
Posted 16 years ago by bodhisattva1031    [ Reply ]
I'm not sure why, but this reminds me of a Good Will Hunting movie tune. I see a broken hearted crying lady.
Posted 16 years ago by 1wolfy    [ Reply ]
I'm from the Midwest and I just gave this song a 10. pkimbrel wrote:
I don't get Elliott. There, I said it. It's not horrible, but is all the hubbub around him due to the fact that he's dead? A co-worker of mine was all bonkers for his music and had me listen to a bunch of it like it was the greatest thing in the world. Okay. Not bad, but really not great. Maybe it's a California thing that we mid-westerners just don't get.
Posted 16 years ago by pmnixa    [ Reply ]
pkimbrel wrote:
I don't get Elliott. There, I said it. It's not horrible, but is all the hubbub around him due to the fact that he's dead? A co-worker of mine was all bonkers for his music and had me listen to a bunch of it like it was the greatest thing in the world. Okay. Not bad, but really not great. Maybe it's a California thing that we mid-westerners just don't get.
I'm from the East Coast, and I get it. The "hubbub" is about brilliant lyrics and musical arrangements, and a smoking talent on the guitar. If you'd seen him in a club you may have gotten it.
Posted 16 years ago by robco1    [ Reply ]
I don't get Elliott. There, I said it. It's not horrible, but is all the hubbub around him due to the fact that he's dead? A co-worker of mine was all bonkers for his music and had me listen to a bunch of it like it was the greatest thing in the world. Okay. Not bad, but really not great. Maybe it's a California thing that we mid-westerners just don't get.
Posted 16 years ago by pkimbrel    [ Reply ]
vandal wrote:
. . .the center cannot hold, and neither could Elliott.
'This world was never meant for one as beautiful as you'
Posted 17 years ago by cc_rider    [ Reply ]
So many words left unsung and notes left unplayed...
Posted 17 years ago by dharmanavy    [ Reply ]
janeanger wrote:
Probably my favorite song of his.
Mine too.
Posted 17 years ago by Nicoblue    [ Reply ]
out_to_lunch wrote:
excellent album from an artist who can never be over appreciated.
I'll say
Posted 17 years ago by Contaminator    [ Reply ]
excellent album from an artist who can never be over appreciated.
Posted 17 years ago by out_to_lunch    [ Reply ]