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Younger Brother — Train
Album: Vaccine
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Released: 2011
Length: 7:25
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They're all flashing past
So many others moving so fast
I feel my heart smoke
As we go under it and bow down
Nothing left on this island
Upon steel on steel
Through these cuts in me
Ive no question who was here first
Many dreams many lifetimes
Any of which could be me
'cept that I'm the one unable to move
Upon this machine
Upon this machine

Pardon caravan emotion
Loaded crowds just like me
I fell between the moments
I fell between the endings
Cuz when it runs around the windows
Nothing here is still
All the paths have collided
Through all these villages and hills
So many dreams so many lifetimes
Any of which could be me
'cept that I'm the one unable to move upon this machine


Theres no one else, no one else,
no one else, no one else.
Theres no one else, no one else,
no one else, no one else.

Theres no one else,
no one else, no one else,
no one can help me now
Help me Im stuck in this moving thing
Nothing is what it seems
No getting off this machine
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I posted 12 years ago that I bought this CD.  Guess what?  Didn't get autism.
Posted 1 week ago by bachbeet    [ Reply ]
 Critty wrote:

Maybe Alan Parsons, maybe Jeff Wayne’s War of the Worlds?

YES!!
And I type this on the eve of "It was Midnight,  on the 12th of August" happy to hear that WotW reference, as the Persied showers are peaking this weekend, a wonderful way to remember fiction written centuries ago!!

LLRP!!
Posted 4 months ago by lizardking    [ Reply ]
 Smart73 wrote:

I always hear "pommes machine" [pommes means fries in German]



And apples in French.
Posted 8 months ago by 25demayo    [ Reply ]
I always hear "pommes machine" [pommes means fries in German]
Posted 9 months ago by Smart73    [ Reply ]
This is why I LOVE Radioparadise! I had never heard of this band, but now I have done a deeper dive and now have another “fav” artist! I get kind of a Pink Floyd vibe from these guys which is not bad at all!
Posted 10 months ago by keenevision    [ Reply ]
Mondegreen time...I keep hearing the last lines as "the promise machine," which is weirdly appropriate.
Posted 1 year ago by birdman42    [ Reply ]
Love the way this songs shifts moods 
Posted 1 year ago by doktorkev    [ Reply ]
Reminds me a lot of the The Alan Parsons Project (i.e. Pink Floyd lite). Anyone remember him? He was also the sound engineer on Dark Side of the Moon.
Posted 1 year ago by siqbal    [ Reply ]
This song did not play for some reason, despite refreshing my browser 3x; had to skip ahead
Posted 1 year ago by aspicer    [ Reply ]
Posted 1 year ago by jeannegirl    [ Reply ]
Bleak yet sexy. Morrissey was good with that, er, sensation. 
Posted 1 year ago by Grayson    [ Reply ]
Always loved this!
Posted 1 year ago by renegade_X    [ Reply ]
When I read the lyrics, this song grew on me.
Posted 1 year ago by jamesganda    [ Reply ]
After a hit of Hidden Pastry, I find this to be very tasty food for the neurons, indeed, Captain! This hits me deep, like a kind of Alan Parsons-techno-Floyd, and leaves me utterly Schpongled, ~Dig...
Posted 1 year ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
So glad to have this back in regular rotation.
Very trippy song.  8->9.  Oh yeah.
Posted 1 year ago by mlcarroll    [ Reply ]
very Pink Floyd...Great production. Very dynamic high quality recording  too!
Posted 1 year ago by radiofan2    [ Reply ]
 LizK wrote:

Younger Brother manufactures endorphins.  I ride along, with a satisfied mindset.


Exactly. And I've just injected my 4:20 dose of marijuanas!  (See below.)
Posted 1 year ago by unclehud    [ Reply ]
heavy pink floyds influences
Posted 1 year ago by asap.band    [ Reply ]
 Lanky_Yoda wrote:

This Vaccine I do trust!



sorry to hear that    it's bad for U
Posted 2 years ago by carmelmik    [ Reply ]
 Zeito wrote:

I bet this is the kind of music pot users listen to when they inject their marijuanas.  



Some of us absorb it through osmosis.
Posted 2 years ago by bruceandjenna    [ Reply ]
My ears have been inoculated. I'm immune from bad news.
Posted 2 years ago by itsme_bygolly    [ Reply ]
 Lanky_Yoda wrote:

This Vaccine I do trust!



I bet Clapton's really anti this album.
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Posted 2 years ago by springof63    [ Reply ]
 On_The_Beach wrote:

Opening is very reminiscent of early Tangerine Dream (which is just fine with me).



They give credit where it's due.  
Posted 2 years ago by Pjesnik    [ Reply ]
So much love for this song. Love that too.  
Posted 2 years ago by nomnol    [ Reply ]
 Egctheow wrote:

What a great tune!
I lived in Scotland for a year and would walk to uni. The road that took me there was lined with Japanese cherry blossom trees. What a treat on the brisk spring mornings.  One of the best times of my life. It's funny how this song sort of feeds into these memories. It normally works the other way round.
Thanks for keeping it in rotation. :)



What a great story! 
Posted 2 years ago by Meli77    [ Reply ]
What a great tune!
I lived in Scotland for a year and would walk to uni. The road that took me there was lined with Japanese cherry blossom trees. What a treat on the brisk spring mornings.  One of the best times of my life. It's funny how this song sort of feeds into these memories. It normally works the other way round.
Thanks for keeping it in rotation. :)
Posted 2 years ago by Egctheow    [ Reply ]
This was a band I never got enough of, and back in 2016 I was wishing this group was still together. 

Well here we are.  More content please!! :)


Posted 2 years ago by jacopo777    [ Reply ]
 Steely_D wrote:

If you like this, then you might really enjoy the "Calling All Stations" Genesis album. Sounds a lot like this.




That's the one... Had Mike and the Mechanics in my head but couldn't quite place it!! Thanks 
Posted 2 years ago by meanderer    [ Reply ]
If you like this, then you might really enjoy the "Calling All Stations" Genesis album. Sounds a lot like this.
Posted 2 years ago by Steely_D    [ Reply ]
Outstanding playlist Rebecca! Is why I donate.
It looks as if I've only joined recently, but I've been an RP fan for over 10 years now. On those days when I'm undecided what to listen to, I just turn on the puter and click! Most days actually ;-)

Posted 3 years ago by Baha_48    [ Reply ]
HITS ME LIKE A SHOT OF TEQUILA; leaves me trying to figure out what's moving, where we're going, and when it all will stop...  Dig!
Posted 3 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
 Silvervanman wrote:


A dyslexic addict I know got pecked to death when he tried to inject a heron. 


May be the same one who tried devil worship and sold his soul to Santa? - I'll get my coat
Posted 3 years ago by hellsgardener    [ Reply ]
 dwhayslett wrote:

I think it's just this album.  But lately a Borax bath is supposed to counteract ... something.


borax is Xarob spelled backwards, ALL HAIL XAROB
Posted 3 years ago by wardleader99    [ Reply ]
 Silvervanman wrote:

Don't listen to this band, it'll alter your dna   

:-D 


I think it's just this album.  But lately a Borax bath is supposed to counteract ... something.
Posted 3 years ago by dwhayslett    [ Reply ]
"the old lady dentist"?  Gotta love those mondegreens...
Posted 3 years ago by Enness    [ Reply ]
Pretty universally liked here on RP...a rarity for the almost complete lack of 1's, 2's and 3's....not many tracks don't at least ruin 10% of the listening audience's day by being played against their wishes...
Posted 3 years ago by sfoster66    [ Reply ]
Don't listen to this band, it'll alter your dna   

:-D 
Posted 3 years ago by Silvervanman    [ Reply ]
 Zeito wrote:

I bet this is the kind of music pot users listen to when they inject their marijuanas.  



A dyslexic addict I know got pecked to death when he tried to inject a heron. 
Posted 3 years ago by Silvervanman    [ Reply ]
Lekker nummer
Posted 3 years ago by mvandenakker    [ Reply ]
Another song by a band I would of probably never of heard if not for RP! I love every song I have heard by them. Kind of surprised this wasn't a sound track form Snowpiercer. Thanks Bill and Rebecca 
Posted 3 years ago by deadheadmark    [ Reply ]
Man, that is one most excellent & moody AF song! 
Posted 3 years ago by Grayson    [ Reply ]
 mrctrm wrote:

Do you really inject marihuana? Actually, marihuanaS ! Multiple marijuana. But who is Mari Juana?
If ya don't know, leave it alone!! More for the users who use, for more than just "stoned" purposes!!

Posted 3 years ago by Signwrtr61    [ Reply ]
Younger Brother is exceptionally talented at making me want to sit and vibe and sing along and perhaps comment about it…
Posted 3 years ago by tm    [ Reply ]
This song makes me want to do something street. Rather than go to the country club pool. 
Posted 3 years ago by Grayson    [ Reply ]
The Bourne theme is in there somewhere....I think...  I like it.
Posted 3 years ago by pktinkler2984    [ Reply ]
 stevendejong wrote:

After many listens I have to conclude this is a solid 10, not a mere 9.



Me too!
Posted 3 years ago by whatsupdude    [ Reply ]
 Zeito wrote:

I bet this is the kind of music pot users listen to when they inject their marijuanas.  


Do you really inject marihuana? Actually, marihuanaS ! Multiple marijuana. But who is Mari Juana?
Posted 3 years ago by mrctrm    [ Reply ]
Yet another song/artist/group I was introduced to by RP, and yet another good reason to listen and contribute !!
Posted 3 years ago by mgtom    [ Reply ]
 SAILINGTHESEVEN wrote:

I coul use some vaccine 😑



I could use a better reality. this one suxxxx!!
Posted 3 years ago by jpfueler    [ Reply ]
 spinoza15 wrote:


The album art would be enough for that.



I'm seeing a guy getting shot at by a cotton candy Gatling gun? What the hell did I just smoke...?
Posted 3 years ago by maxvonevil    [ Reply ]
Fantastic!
Posted 3 years ago by Otentika    [ Reply ]
Sofakinggood... trippy :)
Posted 3 years ago by xerces    [ Reply ]
 bruceandjenna wrote:

Also reminds me of Pink Floyd.


The album art would be enough for that.
Posted 3 years ago by spinoza15    [ Reply ]
 On_The_Beach wrote:
Opening is very reminiscent of early Tangerine Dream (which is just fine with me),
 
Also reminds me of Pink Floyd.
Posted 3 years ago by bruceandjenna    [ Reply ]
 glassman wrote:
 Zeito wrote:
I bet this is the kind of music pot users listen to when they inject their marijuanas.  
 Inject? There is a lot of ways to administer pot. but injection?

 
ISSA JOKE 

Enjoy the sounds, straight edge or not 
Posted 3 years ago by ExploitingChaos    [ Reply ]
Sort of an Alan Parsons vibe for me.
Posted 3 years ago by dmiley    [ Reply ]
I coul use some vaccine 😑
Posted 3 years ago by SAILINGTHESEVEN    [ Reply ]
 glassman wrote:
 Zeito wrote:
I bet this is the kind of music pot users listen to when they inject their marijuanas.  
 Inject? There is a lot of ways to administer pot. but injection?

Zeito gets his info from 45. 


Posted 3 years ago by countyman    [ Reply ]
 Zeito wrote:
I bet this is the kind of music pot users listen to when they inject their marijuanas.  
 Inject? There is a lot of ways to administer pot. but injection?

Posted 4 years ago by glassman    [ Reply ]
 LizK wrote:
Younger Brother manufactures endorphins.  I ride along, with a satisfied mindset.
 

Can't put it any better than that!
Posted 4 years ago by whatsupdude    [ Reply ]
 meanderer wrote:
Love this track!!

Vocals kind of remind me of something by Mike and the Mechanics, or maybe Alan Parsons... Help me out here... Can't quite get it...
 
Maybe Alan Parsons, maybe Jeff Wayne’s War of the Worlds?
Posted 4 years ago by Critty    [ Reply ]
 eileenomurphy wrote:
Good tune! I never heard of them before. ...Thanx RP!
 

Between this station the current from Minnesota KEXP from Washington and WFMU from jersey city. My tastes have broadened 
Posted 4 years ago by jp33442    [ Reply ]
I voted "godlike", because it is. Truely a gem!
Posted 4 years ago by joko63808    [ Reply ]
Good tune! I never heard of them before. ...Thanx RP!
Posted 4 years ago by eileenomurphy    [ Reply ]
 adler_dv wrote:
 Zeito wrote:
I bet this is the kind of music pot users listen to when they inject their marijuanas.  

It's like saying "this is the music dieters listen to when they snort their salad" 
 

LOL! ...Too funny! ...spot on!
Posted 4 years ago by eileenomurphy    [ Reply ]
Vaccine? I wasn't expecting this for another 18 months.
Posted 4 years ago by Grammarcop    [ Reply ]
Love this track!!

Vocals kind of remind me of something by Mike and the Mechanics, or maybe Alan Parsons... Help me out here... Can't quite get it...
Posted 4 years ago by meanderer    [ Reply ]
Radio Paradise y sus temazos!! 
Posted 4 years ago by petitpit    [ Reply ]
 Zeito wrote:
I bet this is the kind of music pot users listen to when they inject their marijuanas.  

It's like saying "this is the music dieters listen to when they snort their salad" 
Posted 4 years ago by adler_dv    [ Reply ]
Never heard of this band but I like the sound - a bit Porcupine Tree, and that's A Good Thing.
Posted 4 years ago by Edweirdo    [ Reply ]
If you guys like this then really check out their first 2 albums, Vaccine is good but it's not a patch on Last Days of Gravity and A flock of Bleeps.

Simon Posford has done so much good stuff - I hear Shpongle on RP all the time - but In Dub by Hallucinogen and Hicksville by Celtic Cross have the most YB feel to his earlier stuff. Simon Posford is an electronic genius. Almost everything he has touched is electonic gold.
Posted 4 years ago by be4con    [ Reply ]
 Grayson wrote:
Huh? What's with all those genres I've never even heard of to the right? Just sounds mighty rich & fine. Would really dig this song driving at night through some strange woods, to achieve max effect. On a hot summer night. Getting to the point in my RP career by now that I get a feeling I've said that before, here, about this song. Whatever. 
 

"It's the next wave, Pytrance, Downtempo, Psybient, but it's still Rock'n'Roll to me."
                                                                                 –Billy Joel
Posted 4 years ago by MrStatenIsle    [ Reply ]
Huh? What's with all those genres I've never even heard of to the right? Just sounds mighty rich & fine. Would really dig this song driving at night through some strange woods, to achieve max effect. On a hot summer night. Getting to the point in my RP career by now that I get a feeling I've said that before, here, about this song. Whatever. 
Posted 5 years ago by Grayson    [ Reply ]
 Solanus wrote:
I would love to hear an acoustic cover of this song.
 
He-ey 
Posted 5 years ago by Isabeau    [ Reply ]
It's reminiscent of You Know You're Right by Nirvana
Posted 5 years ago by benfitch523    [ Reply ]
I would love to hear an acoustic cover of this song.
Posted 5 years ago by Solanus    [ Reply ]
 wgsu_1978 wrote:

I did. Still sounds, and reads, like warmed over Pink Floyd to me.
 

Sure, but then PF is no longer with us, so carry on Younger Brother.. Love this, and could only imagine how cool it would be to hear it sitting on a fast train staring out the window.
Posted 5 years ago by jim_ncdm    [ Reply ]
For an all-day train trip from Cartagena to Madrid this song was perfect.
Posted 5 years ago by Miksalml    [ Reply ]
 warddavid1155 wrote:

would be very hard to do that .strange person read your books

Idiotic remark
 

Posted 5 years ago by Tim1955    [ Reply ]
Tasty!  
Posted 5 years ago by asilbuch    [ Reply ]
 mrtuba9 wrote:
"Posted 3 weeks ago by Proclivities:

LizK wrote:
OK, it's derivative. But what is entirely original? I like the way they put the pieces together. Can't complain about an enjoyable song, no matter if ideas- or the cover art - takes off from someone else. Not plagiarism, but inspiration.


Exactly, all music is derived from music which preceded it. It's a pretty cool sound that these guys make."

I was about to post that I have been upvoting many, many songs that I have on my favorites playlist just because I enjoy listening to them. Anyone remember "Seasons in the Sun."
 
You bastard. I'm gonna have that dreck stuck in my head all day.

BTW, I've never heard the B-side of SitS, but I've been told it's even worse. I think it's called 'Leave the Bone In'. Make of that what you may.
Posted 5 years ago by cc_rider    [ Reply ]
This isn't my usual style of music (electronic), but this is pretty cool.
c.
Posted 5 years ago by cc_rider    [ Reply ]
If you dig this, scope out Departure from the Northern Wasteland by the genius progenitor of this genre, Michael Hoenig
Posted 5 years ago by clickfaster    [ Reply ]
How can I upvote this song from a 10?  Every time I hear it I go into the space of "wow".
Posted 5 years ago by AhhtheMusic    [ Reply ]
"Posted 3 weeks ago by Proclivities:

LizK wrote:
OK, it's derivative. But what is entirely original? I like the way they put the pieces together. Can't complain about an enjoyable song, no matter if ideas- or the cover art - takes off from someone else. Not plagiarism, but inspiration.


Exactly, all music is derived from music which preceded it. It's a pretty cool sound that these guys make."

I was about to post that I have been upvoting many, many songs that I have on my favorites playlist just because I enjoy listening to them. Anyone remember "Seasons in the Sun."
Posted 5 years ago by mrtuba9    [ Reply ]
 LizK wrote:
OK, it's derivative.  But what is entirely original?  I like the way they put the pieces together. Can't complain about an enjoyable song, no matter if ideas- or the cover art  - takes off from someone else.  Not plagerism,  but inspiration.
 

Exactly, all music is derived from music which preceded it.  It's a pretty cool sound that these guys make.  Anyhow, the cover design for this album was done by Storm Thorgerson, who also designed many covers for Pink Floyd, as well as many other recording artists.
Posted 5 years ago by Proclivities    [ Reply ]
 ziggytrix wrote:

Yes, that's a Storm Thorgerson photo, all right!

Oh, and while I was looking for that confirmation I found an interview Younger Brother did with Thorgerson. Dunno if it's any good yet, but I'm saving it for later.
 Check the "The Last Days of Gravity" cover. Pure Storm

Posted 6 years ago by yooby    [ Reply ]
this just does not get old!
Posted 6 years ago by pontfarrer    [ Reply ]
I just snortred some marijuana myself.
Rockit9 wrote:


I bet muffin hats & silver spats & that's that Pudy cat.    
 

Posted 6 years ago by cosmicjoe54    [ Reply ]
 Zeito wrote:
I bet this is the kind of music pot users listen to when they inject their marijuanas.  
 

I bet muffin hats & silver spats & that's that Pudy cat.    
Posted 6 years ago by Rockit9    [ Reply ]
I thought I'd finally heard a good song from Train since their first album  but no, this couldn't come from Train, only their younger brother.
Posted 6 years ago by Michaeljcovel    [ Reply ]
Works just fine in bright, sunny 80 degree weather for me, You just need to turn the volume way up :-)

Grayson wrote:
This song requires dreary weather to work its way good into you. A bright, sunny, 80-degree day just ain't gonna do it. Atmospherics. It's all in appropriate atmospherics with this one. 

 

Posted 6 years ago by clwguy    [ Reply ]
I was in a club half a dozen years ago, trying to hold a conversation with a friend in the mid-afternoon when the dj cranked up this track to 11.
had no choice but to listen, enjoyed it ever since.
Posted 6 years ago by TerryS    [ Reply ]
This song requires dreary weather to work its way good into you. A bright, sunny, 80-degree day just ain't gonna do it. Atmospherics. It's all in appropriate atmospherics with this one. 
Posted 6 years ago by Grayson    [ Reply ]
Funky song 'bout a guy who seems to have gotten himself get lost on a train. 
Posted 6 years ago by Blij    [ Reply ]
 jaydeman wrote:
Here come old flat top
He come groovin' up slowly 

 
Well, who hasn't borrowed from Chuck Berry?
Posted 6 years ago by thewiseking    [ Reply ]
Out of stock at Amazon — added to wish list....
Posted 7 years ago by ih8bills    [ Reply ]
 david@darluthier.com wrote:
One of the reasons I stay tuned in! 

 
Especially at his time of day (night) (it's 23:30 hrs over here).
Posted 7 years ago by hopper99    [ Reply ]
One of the reasons I stay tuned in! 
Posted 7 years ago by david16    [ Reply ]
Younger Brother manufactures endorphins.  I ride along, with a satisfied mindset.
Posted 7 years ago by LizK    [ Reply ]
 CoYoT51 wrote:
Cover looks so familiar. Pink Floyd's photograph or just a tribute?
I do prefer "Ribbon on a Branch" track.

 
Yes, that's a Storm Thorgerson photo, all right!

Oh, and while I was looking for that confirmation I found an interview Younger Brother did with Thorgerson. Dunno if it's any good yet, but I'm saving it for later.
Posted 7 years ago by ziggytrix    [ Reply ]
Cover looks so familiar. Pink Floyd's photograph or just a tribute?
I do prefer "Ribbon on a Branch" track.
Posted 7 years ago by CoYoT51    [ Reply ]
masterpiece!

I listened this song back in 2011 for the first time and since then it doesn't get boring. Thanks RP for that!

ps: 6 years to figure out the train sound samples within the song, better late than later {#Whistle}
Posted 7 years ago by neptune    [ Reply ]
Had it on loud, awesome... 9 -> 10
Posted 7 years ago by adib    [ Reply ]
Here come old flat top
He come groovin' up slowly 
Posted 7 years ago by jaydeman    [ Reply ]
New for me, but I like it a lot.

Cheers from The Netherlands
Posted 7 years ago by Frysian    [ Reply ]
 derekjohnson1 wrote:
Looks like this is on the daily playlist.  Well deserved, I say.  Reminds me of the best Alan Parsons or Mike Oldfield.

 
Definitely hearing an Alan Parsons refrain here. Nice.
Posted 7 years ago by Ngoziman    [ Reply ]
 GreenBoyOz wrote:
Me too !!! {#Yes}

 
Me three!!!{#Jump}
Posted 7 years ago by wolverine    [ Reply ]
 Surfeurseb wrote:

So true! Did the same again {#Cool}

  Me too !!! {#Yes}
Posted 7 years ago by GreenBoyOz    [ Reply ]
 ChrisVIII wrote:
I absolutely love this song :) I want to rate it every time it's played and every time I have the good surprise to see I already gave it a 10 :D 
I've checked more of their work and the quality doesn't disappoint - this is no "one hit wonder" but real talent :) 

 
So true! Did the same again {#Cool}
Posted 7 years ago by Surfeurseb    [ Reply ]
 dantomberlin wrote:
I LOOOOVVVE the music these guys make! Soothing but cerebral....reaches the receptors that aren't touched very often. Great blending and sliding. Number 10 - Godlike....you bet!

 
{#Clap} !!!
Posted 8 years ago by Azrica    [ Reply ]
 Check out Simon Posford and his previous projects. You will be happy!
dantomberlin wrote:
I LOOOOVVVE the music these guys make! Soothing but cerebral....reaches the receptors that aren't touched very often. Great blending and sliding. Number 10 - Godlike....you bet!

 

Posted 8 years ago by uniguide    [ Reply ]
I rode trains almost daily in my 20 years in Japan, and all around Asia and Europe, too... This song really conveys the kinetic concepts!
Posted 8 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
9 -> 10
'bout damn time too 
Posted 8 years ago by jessesteinen    [ Reply ]
I just watched Stranger Things on netflix (it's pretty good, btw) and the theme music is so similar to the intro to this song I had to check if Younger Brother did the score.  Turns out it is a band called Survive.  I haven't explored any of the rest of their catalog yet.

That's the end of that story... I know it didn't have much of a point, but not all stories do. 
Posted 8 years ago by ch83575    [ Reply ]
Doubter Thomas sings; one dot, two dots, and already in love.
Posted 8 years ago by twoplain2sea    [ Reply ]
I LOOOOVVVE the music these guys make! Soothing but cerebral....reaches the receptors that aren't touched very often. Great blending and sliding. Number 10 - Godlike....you bet!
Posted 8 years ago by dantomberlin    [ Reply ]
I absolutely love this song :) I want to rate it every time it's played and every time I have the good surprise to see I already gave it a 10 :D 
I've checked more of their work and the quality doesn't disappoint - this is no "one hit wonder" but real talent :) 
Posted 8 years ago by ChrisVIII    [ Reply ]
 lily34 wrote:

me too!

 
I would too but the damn ratings are stuck at 10!!!
Posted 8 years ago by Emwolb    [ Reply ]
Like it more with each listen.
Posted 8 years ago by Springbok84    [ Reply ]