should be Trump's campaign song
"I wanna be a boss, I wanna be a big boss, I wanna boss the world around, I wanna be the biggest boss that's ever bossed the world around"
You are saying that infrastructure is socialism ? You and I have different dictionaries.
The only form of infrastructure that could be considered socialism would be roads and highways. They are government owned and operated and free to the user with the exception of toll roads and bridges which are user taxed to support maintenance and operation. The power grid is privately owned and operated. As is our telecommunications infrastructure. As are pipelines and many other parts of what is called infrastructure. These networks are constructed and maintained and upgraded by private companies. Regarding power generation which is separate from the transmission infrastructure, there are government owned power generation operations such as hydroelectric generation facilities. Grand Coulee Dam and Hoover Dam being a couple examples. But do not conflate that with transmission or private power generation. The subject was about inadequate transmission capabilities and power generation to meet the demand being forced prematurely on the "Grid" before it is capable of meeting this new demand. Perhaps like an unfunded / unsupported government mandate ?
Yes, there is the quasi government Tennessee Valley Authority, but it is not free to the end user like roads and highways. That and participation is not optional.
So want to try again ?
American Heritage Dictionary (cause it was the first to come up):
socialismsÅâ²shÉ-lÄzâ³Ém
noun
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.
Specifically, in Germany, legislation, supported by Prince Bismarck, intended to improve the condition of the working-man. Among the measures included were the insurance of workmen against accident, sickness, and old age, and the establishment of cooperative associations under state protection.
Don't see anything there about 'free to the user'. My electricity comes from a public utility district. With an elected board of governors. This is not an uncommon arrangement. See also water districts.
You are saying that infrastructure is socialism ? You and I have different dictionaries.
The only form of infrastructure that could be considered socialism would be roads and highways. They are government owned and operated and free to the user with the exception of toll roads and bridges which are user taxed to support maintenance and operation. The power grid is privately owned and operated. As is our telecommunications infrastructure. As are pipelines and many other parts of what is called infrastructure. These networks are constructed and maintained and upgraded by private companies. Regarding power generation which is separate from the transmission infrastructure, there are government owned power generation operations such as hydroelectric generation facilities. Grand Coulee Dam and Hoover Dam being a couple examples. But do not conflate that with transmission or private power generation. The subject was about inadequate transmission capabilities and power generation to meet the demand being forced prematurely on the "Grid" before it is capable of meeting this new demand. Perhaps like an unfunded / unsupported government mandate ?
Yes, there is the quasi government Tennessee Valley Authority, but it is not free to the end user like roads and highways. That and participation is not optional.
So want to try again ?
roads, highways, water systems, sewage, dams, airports and some ports.
although it is muddled, since the Gov does invest billions in infrastructure, though not as much as private sector.
of course, and ironically, defense is highly socialized.
I think the demand issue is being forced somewhat ahead of the investment issue, as our economy is focused more on consumption than investment.
and to go off tangent, so much of our problems could be addressed (at least down the road) with better investment in education, eg, homelessness, drug abuse, financial health, physical health, and political acumen.
The grid already cannot handle.... The stupidity at work and in charge boggles the mind.
The Grid is socialism and you hate socialism so why are you upset that they're letting it go without improvement? You're batting .500 on this post tho, so *thumbsup*
Huh ? This is the basis for saying I am wrong ?
You are saying that infrastructure is socialism ? You and I have different dictionaries.
The only form of infrastructure that could be considered socialism would be roads and highways. They are government owned and operated and free to the user with the exception of toll roads and bridges which are user taxed to support maintenance and operation. The power grid is privately owned and operated. As is our telecommunications infrastructure. As are pipelines and many other parts of what is called infrastructure. These networks are constructed and maintained and upgraded by private companies. Regarding power generation which is separate from the transmission infrastructure, there are government owned power generation operations such as hydroelectric generation facilities. Grand Coulee Dam and Hoover Dam being a couple examples. But do not conflate that with transmission or private power generation. The subject was about inadequate transmission capabilities and power generation to meet the demand being forced prematurely on the "Grid" before it is capable of meeting this new demand. Perhaps like an unfunded / unsupported government mandate ?
Yes, there is the quasi government Tennessee Valley Authority, but it is not free to the end user like roads and highways. That and participation is not optional.
There is the misguided argument against climate change, and advancing cheaper, cleaner alternatives (I am not, and I dont want to speak for him, but it didnt appear that Kurt was making this argument).
There is also the argument that our attempts at shifting towards these new alternatives is half assed, and arguably creating new problems that could very well further delay and complicate this needed shift.
This mirrors the same flawed argument made over incandescent bulbs just a couple years ago. I know you don't believe (and I don't care), but climate awareness is a large part of this calculus. Those that know are trying to figure out how to save your ass from your own intransigence.
Why would I buy online when I can just walk into the store and get it immediately?
Why should I get a car when I have a perfectly good horse?
Why take a crap indoors when there's an outhouse right nearby?
These new fangled ideas are just wastes of time and will never catch on. I like the old ways better.
* You are the only other one than me who has brought this up, let alone mention it. The grid already cannot handle the existing number of EV's now on the road. And now they want to take away our gas stoves and home heating gas furnaces and hot water tanks ? Really ?
The stupidity at work and in charge boggles the mind.
This mirrors the same flawed argument made over incandescent bulbs just a couple years ago. I know you don't believe (and I don't care), but climate awareness is a large part of this calculus. Those that know are trying to figure out how to save your ass from your own intransigence.
Dissonance. Illegal immigrants pouring over the borders, without any clear system for processing/everification...while ignoring protections for dreamers, and exasperating difficulty for visa/green cards preventing companies from getting engineers, health care workers....
Taking longer to get permits than to build projects
Energy security...poor signaling stymying production of traditional sources, while no clear path for ensuring clean, alternative, putting the horse ahead of the cart by stimulating demand without ensuring the electric grid is up to capacity. *
Free trade getting stepped on To name just a few.
All great points.
* You are the only other one than me who has brought this up, let alone mention it. The grid already cannot handle the existing number of EV's now on the road. And now they want to take away our gas stoves and home heating gas furnaces and hot water tanks ? Really ?
The stupidity at work and in charge boggles the mind.
Illegal immigrants pouring over the borders, without any clear system for processing/everification...while ignoring protections for dreamers, and exasperating difficulty for visa/green cards preventing companies from getting engineers, health care workers....
Taking longer to get permits than to build projects
Energy security...poor signaling stymying production of traditional sources, while no clear path for ensuring clean, alternative, putting the horse ahead of the cart by stimulating demand without ensuring the electric grid is up to capacity.
Free trade getting stepped on
What's sort of smirky to me is that no one is saying it's unhealthful food, or tastes bad. Yeah I don't want dog in my burger but it does seem a shame to have a huge animal like that not be utilized. Over here (at least in Wyoming), we can't even slaughter a horse for use in pet food. If we'll wear horsehide gloves...
My pappy used to tell me; "Boy, more stuff you can get down the better." He rarely wore pants.
