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Posted: Apr 20, 2009 - 5:38pm

 ed wrote:
Remember Julia


 
Yeah, that show was really progressive

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Posted: Apr 20, 2009 - 5:29pm

I think they were lacking the ability to build story lines around women, because all women did were stay home and be homemakers. Women were boring. Except on Andy Griffith who, I think, had a phone operator and a teacher.
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Posted: Apr 20, 2009 - 5:14pm

 Proclivities wrote:
I watched a bit of "The Andy Griffith Show" earlier today and something had occurred to me, something I had thought about before but never got a satisfactory answer to. Why did the story lines of so many TV programs have widower fathers or surrogate fathers (looking after children whose parents had died) as the main character? I can think of several off the top of my head.
• My Three Sons
• The Andy Griffith Show
• The Brady Bunch
• The Courtship of Eddie's Father
• Bachelor Father
• Family Affair
• Flipper
• The Rifleman
I know that television writers often pattern their plot lines after certain demographic groups and target those groups as viewers, but were there really that many orphans or widowers back in those days? Maybe it was more acceptable back then to write in a dead mother or dead parents than it was to write in a divorced father. Maybe part of it is to show the struggles of being a single parent, but it wasn't until the 1970's that a program featured a single mother, and she was divorced, not widowed. The other thing is that only on "Andy Griffith" and "Eddie's Father" did the child ever ask about his deceased mother. Maybe it happened on other shows, but I didn't watch all of them (I particularly disliked The Brady Bunch, even as a child). Anyhow, it's just one of things I've wondered about. One other thing is: What the hell did Ward Cleaver do for a living? He always went "to the office" in his suit and tie, but he never spoke much about what he did.  Though I didn't watch that show too much either.
 

Steve Douglas (Fred McMurray) did get married just as 'My Three Sons' was about running out of gas as a show.  There was an annoying step-daughter added in as well.  I didn't realize that the William Frawley character was their grandfather.  What happened to him?  And how did they replace him with the terminally PO'ed Uncle Charlie?  I heard that he wasn't really their uncle and that he was an old family friend that was living the rugged, alcoholic ex-saior's life in the rundown part of town when Fred McMurray invited him to stay with him and the boys.  Why would someone like that want to live with another guy and three teenaged boys?  One other thing: what happened to Mike?  It seems he got married and he was forgotten about (no occasional special guest appearance like Don Knotts did a few times on Andy Griffith).  So I guess Mike went the same way as Chucky Cunningham.  I know.  I know.  It's just TV.  I need to relax and roll with it.

I'm not sure what Ward Cleaver did.  I would think insurance sales does sound like a good guess.  He never talked about what he did.  Everything in the office revolved around that bald guy, that played Mel Cooley on Dick Van Dyke, being a pompous schmuck.


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Posted: Apr 20, 2009 - 5:03pm

 oldslabsides wrote:

I don't know where you're getting you stats from, but that one is bullshit.
 
You must be one of the nine out of a hundred who disagree.  
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Posted: Apr 20, 2009 - 4:53pm

 winter wrote:

63% of all Wikipedia editors support me on that. Support rises to 91% among left-handed amnesiacs, Scrabble-addicted lepers, and Oklahoma ferret fanciers.

 
I don't know where you're getting you stats from, but that one is bullshit.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2009 - 3:27pm

 phineas wrote:

I sit corrected.
 
Glad I could help.
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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 5:21pm

 winter wrote:

63% of all Wikipedia editors support me on that. Support rises to 91% among left-handed amnesiacs, Scrabble-addicted lepers, and Oklahoma ferret fanciers.

 
I sit corrected.

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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 5:13pm

 phineas wrote:

Got any facts to back that up?
 
63% of all Wikipedia editors support me on that. Support rises to 91% among left-handed amnesiacs, Scrabble-addicted lepers, and Oklahoma ferret fanciers.
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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 5:04pm

 winter wrote:

Oh, please. Those are facts. You can prove anything you like with facts.

 
Got any facts to back that up?

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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 5:01pm

 JrzyTmata wrote: 
Oh, please. Those are facts. You can prove anything you like with facts.

In any case, none of them refute my thesis: Ward Cleaver was a hired killer. 

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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 5:00pm

 winter wrote:
Seriously: tight-lipped, controlling, goes off to some undefined office job that he never talks about, last guy you'd suspect, whereabouts unknown on Nov. 22 1963 - do the math, people. Ward Cleaver was a hired killer. 

 
Yeah, always smirking into his coffee cup or hiding behind the newspaper.  It makes sense.

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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 4:56pm

All you wanted to know about Ward Cleaver
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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 4:54pm

 phineas wrote:

You just wanted to say ass sassin'...
 
Nah. I say that for a living. Why do it for free on my day off?

Seriously: tight-lipped, controlling, goes off to some undefined office job that he never talks about, last guy you'd suspect, whereabouts unknown on Nov. 22 1963 - do the math, people. Ward Cleaver was a hired killer. 
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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 4:52pm

 winter wrote:
I think Ward Cleaver was some kind of assassin. It would explain a LOT. 

 
You just wanted to say ass sassin'...

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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 4:50pm

 Proclivities wrote:
I watched a bit of "The Andy Griffith Show" earlier today and something had occurred to me, something I had thought about before but never got a satisfactory answer to. Why did the story lines of so many TV programs have widower fathers or surrogate fathers (looking after children whose parents had died) as the main character? I can think of several off the top of my head.
• My Three Sons
• The Andy Griffith Show
• The Brady Bunch
• The Courtship of Eddie's Father
• Bachelor Father
• Family Affair
• Flipper
• The Rifleman
I know that television writers often pattern their plot lines after certain demographic groups and target those groups as viewers, but were there really that many orphans or widowers back in those days? Maybe it was more acceptable back then to write in a dead mother or dead parents than it was to write in a divorced father. Maybe part of it is to show the struggles of being a single parent, but it wasn't until the 1970's that a program featured a single mother, and she was divorced, not widowed. The other thing is that only on "Andy Griffith" and "Eddie's Father" did the child ever ask about his deceased mother. Maybe it happened on other shows, but I didn't watch all of them (I particularly disliked The Brady Bunch, even as a child). Anyhow, it's just one of things I've wondered about. One other thing is: What the hell did Ward Cleaver do for a living? He always went "to the office" in his suit and tie, but he never spoke much about what he did.  Though I didn't watch that show too much either.
 
I think it was a way to show the man was stable and family-friendly (not one of those creepy guys who isn't married and making babies by 25) but still leave him free to have romantic adventures. Couldn't be a divorced dad, couldn't be a single dad, but a widower? Sure.

I think Ward Cleaver was some kind of assassin. It would explain a LOT. 
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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 4:35pm

 JrzyTmata wrote:

There was the show Julia in 1968. she was a young African-American woman working as a nurse. She is also a widow (her husband died in Vietnam) trying to raise a young son alone.

In Courtship of Eddie's Father, I remember them talking about the mom. I don't remember what happened to her.

 
Oh yeah.  I forgot that show.  It was considered "groundbreaking" in its time.

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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 4:34pm

 Proclivities wrote:
I watched a bit of "The Andy Griffith Show" earlier today and something had occurred to me, something I had thought about before but never got a satisfactory answer to. Why did the story lines of so many TV programs have widower fathers or surrogate fathers (looking after children whose parents had died) as the main character? I can think of several off the top of my head.
• My Three Sons
• The Andy Griffith Show
• The Brady Bunch
• The Courtship of Eddie's Father
• Bachelor Father
• Family Affair
• Flipper
• The Rifleman
I know that television writers often pattern their plot lines after certain demographic groups and target those groups as viewers, but were there really that many orphans or widowers back in those days? Maybe it was more acceptable back then to write in a dead mother or dead parents than it was to write in a divorced father. Maybe part of it is to show the struggles of being a single parent, but it wasn't until the 1970's that a program featured a single mother, and she was divorced, not widowed. The other thing is that only on "Andy Griffith" and "Eddie's Father" did the child ever ask about his deceased mother. Maybe it happened on other shows, but I didn't watch all of them (I particularly disliked The Brady Bunch, even as a child). Anyhow, it's just one of things I've wondered about. One other thing is: What the hell did Ward Cleaver do for a living? He always went "to the office" in his suit and tie, but he never spoke much about what he did.  Though I didn't watch that show too much either.
 
There was the show Julia in 1968. she was a young African-American woman working as a nurse. She is also a widow (her husband died in Vietnam) trying to raise a young son alone.

In Courtship of Eddie's Father, I remember them talking about the mom. I don't remember what happened to her.
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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 4:14pm

 oldviolin wrote:


Don't forget Rin Tin Tin.

 
Oh, yeah, "Rin Tin Tin, and how could I have forgotten "Bonanza" too.  What were they trying to tell us back then?

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Posted: Apr 19, 2009 - 4:13pm

 oldviolin wrote:


Don't forget Rin Tin Tin.

 
and Sky King...i think.

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