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Posted: Jun 19, 2026 - 4:37pm

And I have a lovely bridge I'd like to sell you...
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Posted: Jun 18, 2026 - 10:21am

Thiel's rent boy worries about "communist technology."

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Posted: Jun 16, 2026 - 7:38am

Muh National Security!

DOJ Lawyers Argue xAI Is ‘Vital’ for National Security in NAACP Lawsuit *
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Posted: Jun 16, 2026 - 6:53am

 mannixj wrote:

A slopocalypse is on!





the irony!
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Posted: Jun 16, 2026 - 6:42am

Welcome to a hallucinated world!
Every workflow becomes a training surface. Every decision becomes a trace. Every expert judgment becomes reusable signal. Every internal correction becomes model improvement. Every model run becomes a chance to turn human judgment into institutional intelligence.
That is what “token capital” really means.

It is accumulated machine-operable cognition. A company’s expertise becomes executable, queryable, evaluable, improvable, and portable across models.
That is a massive shift.

The most important line is the one about switching out the generalist model without losing the company veteran expertise. That is the entire enterprise AI war. Model providers want the firm’s knowledge to flow into the model layer.
Enterprises need that knowledge to stay inside their own loop.
Whoever owns the loop owns the future economic rent.

Satya is laying out Microsoft’s answer to the frontier-model monopoly problem.
If all company knowledge flows upward into a few foundation models, the foundation model labs become landlords of the entire economy. They absorb everyone’s expertise, commoditize every workflow, and capture the value created by every firm’s learning process. That equilibrium will trigger political backlash, customer resistance, regulatory pressure, and corporate revolt.
So Microsoft’s doctrine is: every company should build its own AI learning system on top of frontier models, while Microsoft owns the infrastructure where that happens.
That is elegant and self-serving.

Microsoft does not need to own the single best frontier model forever. It needs to own the enterprise control plane: identity, security, permissions, data, workflow, evals, agents, memory, developer tools, cloud, compliance, and model routing. If the model becomes swappable, the platform underneath the firm’s learning loop becomes the durable asset.
Satya is quietly saying the frontier model alone is unstable. A world of a few models eating every company’s expertise breaks the political economy. A world where every company builds firm-specific AI capital on top of models is more stable, more defensible, and much better for Microsoft.

The “human capital gets more valuable” line is partly true and partly corporate diplomacy.
High-agency humans become more valuable. People with taste, judgment, relationships, domain intuition, ambition, and the ability to direct agentic systems become much more valuable.
Routine cognitive labor loses bargaining power.

The future firm does not need every human equally. It needs humans who can generate high-quality signal for the loop. The human becomes a trainer, judge, strategist, relationship node, taste layer, and goal-setter. The work that cannot feed the loop or direct the loop gets compressed.
This also connects directly to the Anthropic crisis.

If frontier model access can be restricted, pulled, nationality-gated, or subordinated to state power, then enterprises cannot allow their intelligence layer to live entirely inside one external model. They need portability. They need private evals. They need internal memory. They need their own traces. They need model-agnostic learning systems.
The model can change.

The firm’s cognition loop has to survive.
That is the new sovereignty test.

A company that only buys AI access is a renter.

A company that turns its workflows, judgments, corrections, and outcomes into a private learning loop is building capital.
The deeper implication: the future economy splits between firms that compound cognition and firms that leak cognition.
Firms that compound cognition will get stronger every time they operate.


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Posted: Jun 16, 2026 - 6:32am

A slopocalypse is on!


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Posted: Jun 12, 2026 - 3:09pm

AI hyping AI

KPMG report contained AI hallucinations on benefits of . . . AI
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Posted: Jun 12, 2026 - 2:00pm

Verbosity, you know, is like, you know, a decent indicator, of like, you know, mendacity.

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Posted: Jun 10, 2026 - 4:05pm

'Alex' the sociopath

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Posted: Jun 10, 2026 - 2:24pm

Brave New World

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Posted: Jun 10, 2026 - 1:57pm

 Proclivities wrote:

I know attorneys who have used AI for organizing rough frameworks for things like related cases, opening arguments, summations, or other tasks, but still manually rewrite them. I think Anthropic is right to caution against unbridled development. Tech giants like Microsoft and AI titans have been touting the Jevons Paradox notion for a couple of years now, and I can see the parallels - as it can positively affect producers and investors by possibly increasing demand (and profits), but anything it delivers to consumers is minimal.


i was referring to sam and dario a couple of weeks ago
https://finance.yahoo.com/sect...

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Posted: Jun 10, 2026 - 12:06pm

 R_P wrote:
We heard that (marketing) before too (in 2019)

Yeah, I'm not claiming that Anthropic is being entirely noble or principled about it, but it's a valid point.
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Posted: Jun 10, 2026 - 12:05pm

AI is way to freakishingly deceiving for me

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Posted: Jun 10, 2026 - 11:52am

 Proclivities wrote:
  (...) I think Anthropic is right to caution against unbridled development.  (...)

We heard that (marketing) before too (in 2019):


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Posted: Jun 10, 2026 - 11:40am

 miamizsun wrote:
lots of people are lazy and sloppy
and there are quite a few that don't know how to use it...yet
just request sources when using it and give it permission to say "i don't know"
i've personally worked with attorneys using ai like a champ
ai will eventually replace some of the work people do
i can't use it with clients, but industry supervision and regulation use it with/on us
go figure
there should always be a human in the loop
most of the doom predictions are fading and we're starting to see somewhat of a jevon's paradox


I know attorneys who have used AI for organizing rough frameworks for things like related cases, opening arguments, summations, or other tasks, but still manually rewrite them. I think Anthropic is right to caution against unbridled development. Tech giants like Microsoft and AI titans have been touting the Jevons Paradox notion for a couple of years now, and I can see the parallels - as it can positively affect producers and investors by possibly increasing demand (and profits), but anything it delivers to consumers is minimal.
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Posted: Jun 10, 2026 - 11:25am

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lots of people are lazy and sloppy
and there are quite a few that don't know how to use it...yet
just request sources when using it and give it permission to say "i don't know"
i've personally worked with attorneys using ai like a champ
ai will eventually replace some of the work people do
i can't use it with clients, but industry supervision and regulation use it with/on us
go figure
there should always be a human in the loop
most of the doom predictions are fading and we're starting to see somewhat of a jevon's paradox



Ever the optimist, ha!
it's still waaay early, but getting late too?


Anthropic Urges Global Pause in AI Development, Flags ‘Self-Improvement’ Risk

The $1 trillion startup warns artificial-intelligence models are nearing capability to improve without human intervention

Quick Summary
  • Anthropic suggested that top AI labs consider slowing development, citing rapid advancements and potential for recursive self-improvement.
  • Anthropic recently concluded a fundraising round valuing the company at almost $1 trillion and filed paperwork for a public listing.
  • David Sacks, a venture capitalist, accused Anthropic of a “regulatory capture agenda” to slow competitors’ AI advances.

Anthropic is calling for top artificial intelligence labs to weigh slowing the pace of development, suggesting that AI systems are advancing so rapidly that they may soon be able to improve themselves without human intervention in ways that could pose significant societal risks.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/an...





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Posted: Jun 10, 2026 - 8:36am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


That's the whole thing about AI. It does wonderful emulations of expert work, but you have to be an expert to know where it gets it wrong, which lands you back with the expert. 




lots of people are lazy and sloppy
and there are quite a few that don't know how to use it...yet
just request sources when using it and give it permission to say "i don't know"
i've personally worked with attorneys using ai like a champ
ai will eventually replace some of the work people do
i can't use it with clients, but industry supervision and regulation use it with/on us
go figure
there should always be a human in the loop
most of the doom predictions are fading and we're starting to see somewhat of a jevon's paradox


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Posted: Jun 9, 2026 - 10:34pm

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I'm getting really tired of conversations that are basically - "I used AI instead of asking you for advice, now my thing is broken/messed up and I want you to fix it. And I don't want to pay because I was just doing what Grok told me to"


That's the whole thing about AI. It does wonderful emulations of expert work, but you have to be an expert to know where it gets it wrong, which lands you back with the expert. 


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Posted: Jun 9, 2026 - 3:38pm

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I'm getting really tired of conversations that are basically - "I used AI instead of asking you for advice, now my thing is broken/messed up and I want you to fix it. And I don't want to pay because I was just doing what Grok told me to"
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