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Great Comment. To this day when I hear a Santana song like this one, I think: Is there any other guitarist who can always play the exact right note, with the exact right tone for the exact amount of time like Carlos Santana? Maybe. But no one comes to mind.
there are times when I swear he makes the guitar sound like someone singing lyrics only he can hear.
bloomin’ Marks&Spencer Xmas ad kinda spoilt it. At least the first part of it.
I first heard Carlos on an 8 track in my best friend’s Cutlas when we visited his brother at a new housing work site on the north side of San Antonio. As we got out of the car his crew was on a break smoking their lunch and listening to the same track. My favorite ever since that mental fog of a day.
Cool story. Thank You for sharing it.
To wit - if I get mesmerized listening to it as much now stone sober (and in my pensionable years) as I did when I first listened to it in my late teens when I was most likely stoned and not sober, then I rate it a 9-10.
This song, and album, (back in those days we listened to whole vinyl albums on our turntables, mostly to avoid the risk of scratching them I suspect, being that we weren't at our topmost state of dexterity) easily rate a "10" based on this criteria.
I agree. There is a lot of diversity here! I listen to everything & rarely rate anything less than 6. I only rate 7 & above for tunes that I want on "My Favorites" list!
You can adjust the minimum rating for songs in your favorites list if you want.
But I also follow your 7 rating standard myself.
This just might be my favorite song in the whole world! I love every single note.
This was the music for my out of body experience on Feb. 28, 1971 at about 1 a.m. as a patient in Childrens Specialized Hospital, Mountainside NJ. It may be your favorite song, but the utterly uncanny timing and serendipity of this extraordinary music was and remains an essential for my life. Ever since, for me, Carlos the gifted guitarista has had few missteps.
Intrigued by the quotation marks.
I was a kid - though I felt very grown up. A boy rather than a man............. honestly
I love being in this RP community where so many others appreciate music which doesn't resonate with me. One of the many benefits of listening to RP.
I agree. There is a lot of diversity here! I listen to everything & rarely rate anything less than 6. I only rate 7 & above for tunes that I want on "My Favorites" list!
There is no such thing as "great per se" when it comes to art. Either you like it and/or it moves you, or you don't like it and it doesn't move you. Posterity tends to decide what is canonical, but even the greatest composer of all time had to be rescued from relative obscurity by Felix Mendelssohn.
Very well stated!!
EXCELLENT!!
The more I hear it, the more I like it!! Thanx RP!
What were you using, an Edison phonograph? :O)
Intrigued by the quotation marks.
It is still a legitimate question. Acclaim and fame are nice-to-haves, but they are not guaranteed signs of any notable accomplishment (except the fame itself). They might be, but often they are not. We all could come up with lists of crappy art, music, movies, political decisions, etc. that gained acclaim, but where not great per se.
There is no such thing as "great per se" when it comes to art. Either you like it and/or it moves you, or you don't like it and it doesn't move you. Posterity tends to decide what is canonical, but even the greatest composer of all time had to be rescued from relative obscurity by Felix Mendelssohn.
My thoughts exactly ever since I know this great piece of music! That mood before it's speeding up is so special...
All 3 are world renowned. Pollock paintings have gone for 200 million; Nicolas Cage has an Oscar and a 4 decade career in films; and Carlos a 5 decade career as one of the greatest rock guitarists ever.
I'm going with your commenting here. Knocking those that have achieved high acclaim in their fields is low level sniping in this one.
It is still a legitimate question. Acclaim and fame are nice-to-haves, but they are not guaranteed signs of any notable accomplishment (except the fame itself). They might be, but often they are not. We all could come up with lists of crappy art, music, movies, political decisions, etc. that gained acclaim, but where not great per se.
However, with Santana, I would not say that this holds true. He's a genius, and if he sounds not so remarkable, than I would say that this is precisely what his talent is. Making it sound so easy you think everyone can do this.
Or my commenting, perhaps?
All 3 are world renowned. Pollock paintings have gone for 200 million; Nicolas Cage has an Oscar and a 4 decade career in films; and Carlos a 5 decade career as one of the greatest rock guitarists ever.
I'm going with your commenting here. Knocking those that have achieved high acclaim in their fields is low level sniping in this one.
Fred Catero and Carlos Santana produced Abraxas.
Thank you Santana for Samba Pa Ti 8 - Most Excellent
such guitar
wow
12
thank you bill for this song
;-{)
Great Comment. To this day when I hear a Santana song like this one, I think: Is there any other guitarist who can always play the exact right note, with the exact right tone for the exact amount of time like Carlos Santana? Maybe. But no one comes to mind.
I saw Santana at the UK Birmingham NEC (good acoustics BTW) some four years ago and he blew me away - kept up a salsa beat for more than an hour and my heart was beating...
I remember Santana from my student days in the '70s and NEVER expected to be so impressed when I heard him live recently.
I DO know why he wears a hat ;-)
Jackson Pollock..OK. Never heard of Nick Cage.
Have you heard of Oscar?
Great Comment. To this day when I hear a Santana song like this one, I think: Is there any other guitarist who can always play the exact right note, with the exact right tone for the exact amount of time like Carlos Santana? Maybe. But no one comes to mind.
Well said. One of my all time favorites.
Thanks for the wonderful tunes.
Am I the only person who feels conned by Santana's guitar-playing, in the same way as Jackson Pollock's painting or Nicolas Cage's acting?
Or my commenting, perhaps?
i think you have this confused with REM
Mambo Pa Ti
Evet Pa Ti.
Pati var-iations.
By the skin of my teeth, I walked away from Jumbo claws.
Powerful, mystical, essential, and w/o celestial boundary.
so nicely stated!
Am I the only person who feels conned by Santana's guitar-playing, in the same way as Jackson Pollock's painting or Nicolas Cage's acting?
Or my commenting, perhaps?
go deeper .... you will find it - though perhaps not in the case of Jackson Pollock. Good luck
nice!
Am I the only person who feels conned by Santana's guitar-playing, in the same way as Jackson Pollock's painting or Nicolas Cage's acting?
Or my commenting, perhaps?
Well, at least you didn't bring up the Illuminati or GMOs.
Powerful, mystical, essential, and w/o celestial boundary.
Am I the only person who feels conned by Santana's guitar-playing, in the same way as Jackson Pollock's painting or Nicolas Cage's acting?
Or my commenting, perhaps?
Jackson Pollock..OK. Never heard of Nick Cage.
Am I the only person who feels conned by Santana's guitar-playing, in the same way as Jackson Pollock's painting or Nicolas Cage's acting?
Or my commenting, perhaps?
Never thought I could find these three in the same sentence! Thanks for that :)
Am I the only person who feels conned by Santana's guitar-playing, in the same way as Jackson Pollock's painting or Nicolas Cage's acting?
Or my commenting, perhaps?
Am I the only person who feels conned by Santana's guitar-playing, in the same way as Jackson Pollock's painting or Nicolas Cage's acting?
Or my commenting, perhaps?
I can agree on the Nick Cage point, otherwise...
Am I the only person who feels conned by Santana's guitar-playing, in the same way as Jackson Pollock's painting or Nicolas Cage's acting?
Or my commenting, perhaps?
That sound you're hearing is great guitarists around the world having a good laugh at the ignorance of your comment.
If only Carlos had had you around to show him how to play the guitar he might have gotten somewhere.
Most of the positives are at the bottom of the first page. The haters seem to congregate at the top of it. For me, this is tune is an epiphany. As for being friends with Clive Davis…try Bill Graham, too. And Clapton. And Beck. Herbie Hancock. Ron Carter. John McLaughlin. You knee jerk cynics really ought to look at the output of the 70s into the 80s.
But OK, yes, he has more or less rested on his laurels the 25-30 years. But don't discount his entire career on the three songs you might be familiar with.
Yes! Sublime.
thewiseking wrote:
astapen wrote:
Just scanned your list of songs rated 10. Your taste reveals that calling Santana a hack is unfortunately just a nasty way of saying "me no likey" . No reason to slag Carlos.
I have tried...for a very long time. Truly I have. But my conclusion is that I just don't get the appeal. From old stuff to newer, to my ear it's the same mediocre noodling...same key...tone. Was he that ground-breaking? Really? I guess I could keep trying, but I think for me the journey has ended.
I totally get that you might not like Santana but "hack"? That's a little harsh.
Ditto - always makes me stop, pause, listen and be taken to other places
That would never have happened at my school. The guy who effectively ran the school was a pasty white control-freak martinet. Someone spray-painted "Welcome to San Quentin" on an outside wall years before my freshman year. It didn't do much for morale, especially when it stayed up for most of my sentence there.
This is music that changed my outlook and my life halfway through the first hearing. It was the very definition of exquisite timing. I had never heard anything like it. Spoke to me in vast volumes.
I believe he was only 23 years old when he cut this.
Nothing quite does it like his guitar excellence.
Still a favorite - timeless.
If you can't escape the reality listen this and you will fly .. at least for a bit :)
thanks for this. i didn't know.
I remember a time when a friend and I were at a restaurant in Toronto. There was a jukebox and I played this song. When I returned to the table, our relationship went to a whole other level. I always think of that when I hear this beautiful piece.