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Posted: Feb 25, 2014 - 11:45am

depends on the fly...

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Posted: Feb 25, 2014 - 11:40am


believe... and you too,  can fly...


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Posted: Feb 25, 2014 - 11:32am

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A few things to consider:
1.  The business owners asked APD to start patrolling the area because of the number of jay-walkers/jay-runners.
2.  She didn't get arrested for jaywalking.  She got arrested because she refused to tell the cops her name.  She told them to F-off and said if they didn't know her name, they couldn't give her a ticket.

I'm glad this is the most important thing we have to talk about in Austin.

 
There's always more to the story. Always. I guess sometimes we all have custom filters when pre conditional thinking is used to filter out the inconvenient assaults on our world view. That's made easier when reports are filtered for us. I always say when the chips are down just order up more chips...weapons of mass deception are ushers in the theater of pain and suffering...


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Posted: Feb 25, 2014 - 11:14am

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I never said they should let her go. It's one thing to go after her, stop her, and give her a stern talking-to, including a citation. Instead they escalated the situation and made national news. Yes, the dumb broad was clueless and a danger to herself. But handcuffing and arresting her?

The best part is the Chief's non-apology. Figures. 

 

A few things to consider:
1.  The business owners asked APD to start patrolling the area because of the number of jay-walkers/jay-runners.
2.  She didn't get arrested for jaywalking.  She got arrested because she refused to tell the cops her name.  She told them to F-off and said if they didn't know her name, they couldn't give her a ticket.

I'm glad this is the most important thing we have to talk about in Austin.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 10:37am

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Oh my, what big teeth you have...

 

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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 10:29am

 oldviolin wrote:
wait...is this one of those Little Red Riding Hood things? Because if it is...
 
Oh my, what big teeth you have...
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 10:22am

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Art said it, not me.

 
my point
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 10:16am

 RichardPrins wrote:

They were probably hiding behind those nearby shrubs... {#Mrgreen}

 
wait...is this one of those Little Red Riding Hood things? Because if it is...


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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 10:15am

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I agree that the cops probably are replaying the episode in their heads and are themselves well aware of when exactly they screwed up (hint: It was before she crossed the street). But I just don't understand how saying "ah, she didn't hear or see us because she was running across a busy street with headphones in her ears and so we should let her go and get the next easy guy instead" is anything like a reasonable policy. I would be pissed as hell if I saw her cross without incident and so I followed and got a ticket. At which point I would also react badly/wrong and I'd be unsympathetic with myself

 
I never said they should let her go. It's one thing to go after her, stop her, and give her a stern talking-to, including a citation. Instead they escalated the situation and made national news. Yes, the dumb broad was clueless and a danger to herself. But handcuffing and arresting her?

The best part is the Chief's non-apology. Figures. 
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 10:11am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

I'd say brutal but...

 
Art said it, not me.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 10:04am

 oldviolin wrote:
She probably had run through there the same way many times before. Not giving her a pass. The cops being present should have been enough to garner her extra attention to the surroundings. Obviously if she's that unaware, she is endangering her own health and well being.
 
They were probably hiding behind those nearby shrubs... {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 10:04am

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Like far too many people yes, she was living her life with her head up her ass. If that's justification for being tackled, handcuffed and arrested by the cops, we can't build jails fast enough.

 
I agree that the cops probably are replaying the episode in their heads and are themselves well aware of when exactly they screwed up (hint: It was before she crossed the street). But I just don't understand how saying "ah, she didn't hear or see us because she was running across a busy street with headphones in her ears and so we should let her go and get the next easy guy instead" is anything like a reasonable policy. I would be pissed as hell if I saw her cross without incident and so I followed and got a ticket. At which point I would also react badly/wrong and I'd be unsympathetic with myself
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 10:02am

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Yes, and whether you subscribe to the radical notion that cops are there to protect and serve, or the more prevalent idea that they're there to impose a brutal crackdown on you at the drop of a hat, she reacted badly/wrong.

 
I think that, rather unfortunately as to the latter, both varieties are well represented. I will always lean to the former, however. I'm ruled by the Sun, after all...{#Wink}
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 9:56am

 oldviolin wrote:

She probably had run through there the same way many times before. Not giving her a pass. The cops being present should have been enough to garner her extra attention to the surroundings. Obviously if she's that unaware, she is endangering her own health and well being.

 
Yes, and whether you subscribe to the radical notion that cops are there to protect and serve, or the more prevalent idea that they're there to impose a brutal crackdown on you at the drop of a hat, she reacted badly/wrong.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 9:54am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
tried to do something to get her attention.

 
Like far too many people yes, she was living her life with her head up her ass. If that's justification for being tackled, handcuffed and arrested by the cops, we can't build jails fast enough.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 9:50am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
tried to do something to get her attention.

 
She probably had run through there the same way many times before. Not giving her a pass. The cops being present should have been enough to garner her extra attention to the surroundings. Obviously if she's that unaware, she is endangering her own health and well being.


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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 9:44am

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oldviolin wrote:
You're optimistic that these situations are rare? I agree that whatever the number of incidents like this that there are, they are sensationalized in the media, especially social media, and therefore are given a sense of increasing ubiquity. However, it seems more and more like something such as a simple traffic stop culminates with additional law enforcement vehicles responding and a foreboding potential for strong arm tactics if a citizen protests their treatment at the hands of often inflexible and surly attitudes of aggressive police officers. Additionally, if a bystander decides to offer additional protest for the rough and unnecessary treatment of friend or stranger , you know what will happen to them. I've seen it. I've been a witness to it. I've been involved in it.

There seems to be a great anxiety building over an increasingly militant style of over equipped and deadly forceful police departments, especially in urban areas. It doesn't take very much to light the fuse because society continues to regress into a crush of seeming helplessness. It is more than not a perception rather than a reality, but in the wash there isn't much difference in the two.
Have you ever seen a large blacked out SUV with 30 flashing lights on it at a simple traffic stop? I have. More and more it's common. I guess that's my point. The soft violence of perceived helplessness at the hands of aggressive law enforcement is feeding on itself.

No, I'm optimistic that ubiquitous technology to document police abuse will expose it and lead to less of it.

As Richard points out below there are communities that have faced this brutality for decades, but when it happens to white people suddenly it's a crisis. I'm not encouraged that police agencies are armoring up, but I see this as a change in scale rather than a change in kind.

And maybe outrage will finally drive the changes we need. Police departments sell this overwhelming display of force to those who pay for it by appealing to safety, both for the communities they police and for the officers themselves. There really are bad people out there, and they kill cops—fewer every year, but it does actually happen. The same technology that makes reporting and spreading the word about police abuse also spreads those stories far and wide, and makes them appear more common than they really are. Our first job as citizens is to demand more than anecdotes and make informed political decisions about what kind of law enforcement serves our needs, but we also need to ask hard questions about what things justify police intervention in the first place.

It all starts with the law. When we have enough laws that everyone is a criminal every encounter with the police is a threat to both sides.

 
I think that the ghost in the machine rears it's ugly head when virtual memes and/or misinformation become the acceptable truth, while the facts play hell with common sense perception. Seems as though common sense has become an endangered species. You seem to place a lot of trust in technology, and so do I, but with a dose of beady eyed trepidation. Idealism is a wonderful thing as far as I'm concerned, but it gives me horrible indigestion.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 9:44am

 oldviolin wrote:

 Give it a couple of days of warning citations before the hard rails go up? What could be the harm in giving the benefit of the doubt?... Just give people a chance to be ignorant or even stupid and still be people before they get treated like criminals.

 
I don't know that they didn't. Maybe she would have gotten off with a warning but she never stopped to find out what they wanted. I wish Mr. Coffeehouse had caught the entire episode and not just the ending... because one bit I read that quoted him sounded like the cops tried to wave her off from even crossing. Their presence on the other side of the street would have made me go to the corner because I don't like cops and also I'm not a fan of getting run over so I'll do what the cops want, sometimes, because in the end it's a good idea. Certainly jaywalking is a low-level infraction but she, you, me, we all know it's against the law. Yet she still crossed there. If she was so unaware of her surroundings that she didn't see the cops, then maybe they saved her life. You can bet she'll be hyper-aware of everything now, and maybe not even run in with music in her ears. If she had said to herself "hey, cops don't want me to cross here" and continued on down the street, then none of this would have happened. I just don't see how the cops could have not tried to do something to get her attention.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 9:35am

 Lazy8 wrote:


It all starts with the law. When we have enough laws that everyone is a criminal every encounter with the police is a threat to both sides.

 
indeed.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 - 9:29am

oldviolin wrote:
You're optimistic that these situations are rare? I agree that whatever the number of incidents like this that there are, they are sensationalized in the media, especially social media, and therefore are given a sense of increasing ubiquity. However, it seems more and more like something such as a simple traffic stop culminates with additional law enforcement vehicles responding and a foreboding potential for strong arm tactics if a citizen protests their treatment at the hands of often inflexible and surly attitudes of aggressive police officers. Additionally, if a bystander decides to offer additional protest for the rough and unnecessary treatment of friend or stranger , you know what will happen to them. I've seen it. I've been a witness to it. I've been involved in it.

There seems to be a great anxiety building over an increasingly militant style of over equipped and deadly forceful police departments, especially in urban areas. It doesn't take very much to light the fuse because society continues to regress into a crush of seeming helplessness. It is more than not a perception rather than a reality, but in the wash there isn't much difference in the two.
Have you ever seen a large blacked out SUV with 30 flashing lights on it at a simple traffic stop? I have. More and more it's common. I guess that's my point. The soft violence of perceived helplessness at the hands of aggressive law enforcement is feeding on itself.

No, I'm optimistic that ubiquitous technology to document police abuse will expose it and lead to less of it.

As Richard points out below there are communities that have faced this brutality for decades, but when it happens to white people suddenly it's a crisis. I'm not encouraged that police agencies are armoring up, but I see this as a change in scale rather than a change in kind.

And maybe outrage will finally drive the changes we need. Police departments sell this overwhelming display of force to those who pay for it by appealing to safety, both for the communities they police and for the officers themselves. There really are bad people out there, and they kill cops—fewer every year, but it does actually happen. The same technology that makes reporting and spreading the word about police abuse also spreads those stories far and wide, and makes them appear more common than they really are. Our first job as citizens is to demand more than anecdotes and make informed political decisions about what kind of law enforcement serves our needs, but we also need to ask hard questions about what things justify police intervention in the first place.

It all starts with the law. When we have enough laws that everyone is a criminal every encounter with the police is a threat to both sides.
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