And his fellow dems want to take the nuclear codes away from him.
Meanwhile, he's got kids locked up in cages at our open southern border and no one cares. Well AOC does at least. None of the people here who were so vocal and taken aback when Trump did it seem to care about this. Figures, the usual double standard ...
And his fellow dems want to take the nuclear codes away from him.
Meanwhile, he's got kids locked up in cages at our open southern border and no one cares. Well AOC does at least. None of the people here who were so vocal and taken aback when Trump did it seem to care about this. Figures, the usual double standard ...
The bar for Joe has been set by his predecessor pretty low. In order to be considered successful Biden only has to: Avoid inciting an insurrection and not ignore the pandemic. I guess we will have to wait on the first one but the second box is already checked.
That is an interesting twist on the 'soft bigotry of low expectations'. In this case, it is applied to materially comfortable, accomplished white men.
Hard to imagine Biden 'inciting' an insurrection. But perhaps one could happen on his watch. My current thinking is that if enough 06 January revolutionary patriots go to jail, a violent insurrection will not happen. Don't believe that an impeachment of Trump will incite an insurrection. Then, the last half decade has been full of surprises of the "I never thought I would see this in my lifetime" type.
The bar for Joe has been set by his predecessor pretty low. In order to be considered successful Biden only has to: Avoid inciting an insurrection and not ignore the pandemic. I guess we will have to wait on the first one but the second box is already checked.
That is an interesting twist on the 'soft bigotry of low expectations'. In this case, it is applied to materially comfortable, accomplished white men.
Hard to imagine Biden 'inciting' an insurrection. But perhaps one could happen on his watch. My current thinking is that if enough 06 January revolutionary patriots go to jail, a violent insurrection will not happen. Don't believe that an impeachment of Trump will incite an insurrection. Then, the last half decade has been full of surprises of the "I never thought I would see this in my lifetime" type.
The bar for Joe has been set by his predecessor pretty low. In order to be considered successful Biden only has to: Avoid inciting an insurrection and not ignore the pandemic. I guess we will have to wait on the first one but the second box is already checked.
So Russia, Russia, Russia is real then as far as you are concerned, right ? I'm saying this based on what you wrote above since you never replied to this below ...
Ok, since you are pressing me. Yes, it is real as far as myself and many others are concerned. Too much smoke for there not to be a fire.
I didn't answer as I don't have the inclination to engage in a lengthy discourse with you. Not interested in you trying to 'splain it to me right now.
Kurtâcare to say why Trump shouldn't be convicted and disqualified from holding a federal office in the future?
Europeans often 'keep smiling' on some. A saying even goes, Americans love to hurt, or even kill each other. Friends of mine even spread that thought with some pride. While my folks over here can't help but feel sad about it.
kcar, why don't you go fight in a cage (or seek peace within yourself)? - The road might just end up being the same...
"kcar, why don't you go fight in a cage (or seek peace within yourself)?"
Yeah, like I'm the problem.
It's been barely a month since Trump egged on a bunch of protesters to occupy the Capitol building. Those idiots came within a hair's breadth of capturing and lynching Mike Pence. They would have killed Nancy Pelosi.
But we still—STILL—have people who think the election was rigged, that Trump did nothing wrong and that he should be President again.
Trump has turned much of the GOP into his cult. His non-stop claims of fraud cost Americans over $500 million and badly damaged our reputation even more. Trump's guilt and the need to permanently prevent him from being in the Oval Office again is an open and shut case. Yet the GOP Senators will likely acquit him again.
So you can cram your patronizing BS up your fundament. And while you're at it, you should start worrying about Germany's problem with its own extremist right—even in its military and security forces.
Just goes to show you how f*cked up everything Trump did and how many people it affected! So yeah, if you the number of executive orders exceeds the number of days your in office, the former administrator WAS A dictator!
It has been completely disproved and is actually all on Hillary and
the DNC with help from Obama's DOJ with Obama and Biden directly
participating as has been established.
The latest document
declassification proves this once and for all. Yet you and most others
here still would bet your lives that it was all real and not a frame job
on Trump. That is the disconnect.
Prove it, pretzel boy.
IIRC when Trump's order to declassify that binder of documents was announced in the news, there was no indication as to what was in those documents.
"and is actually all on Hillary and the DNC with help from Obama's DOJ with Obama and Biden directly participating as has been established."
Wow, this bit especially reads like something out of a wet dream you had. Or a Qanon thread.
Here, Kurt, take a look at this article about the GOP-led Senate Foreign Relations Committee report on Russia and the Trump campaign.
A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counselâs findings at a moment when President Trumpâs allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.
WASHINGTON â A sprawling report released Tuesday by a Republican-controlled Senate panel that spent three years investigating Russiaâs interference in the 2016 election laid out an extensive web of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Kremlin officials and other Russians, including at least one intelligence officer and others tied to the countryâs spy services.
...
It provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government disrupted an American election to help Mr. Trump become president, Russian intelligence services viewed members of the Trump campaign as easily manipulated, and some of Mr. Trumpâs advisers were eager for the help from an American adversary....
Like the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who released his findings in April 2019, the Senate report did not conclude that the Trump campaign engaged in a coordinated conspiracy with the Russian government â a fact that Republicans seized on to argue that there was âno collusion.â
But the report showed extensive evidence of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and people tied to the Kremlin â including a longstanding associate of the onetime Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, whom the report identified as a âRussian intelligence officer.â
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It also included a potentially explosive detail: that investigators had uncovered information possibly tying Mr. Kilimnik to Russiaâs major election interference operations, conducted by the intelligence service known as the G.R.U.
Democrats highlighted Mr. Kilimnikâs potential ties to the interference operations in their own appendix to the report, noting that Mr. Manafort discussed campaign strategy and shared internal campaign polling data with the Russian and later lied to federal investigators about his actions.
âThis is what collusion looks like,â Democrats wrote.
...
The reportâs findings about Mr. Kilimnik and other Russians in touch with Trump campaign advisers confirmed an article in The New York Times from 2017 that said there had been numerous interactions between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence in the year before the election. F.B.I. officials had disputed the report.
Though there was no evidence of any agreement between the Russians and the Trump campaign to work together, there was clear coordination, said Senator Angus King, a Maine independent who caucuses with the Democrats and is a member of the Intelligence Committee.
âThe Russians were doing things to disrupt American democracy and help the Trump campaign and the Trump campaign was doing things to amplify and utilize what the Russians were supplying,â Mr. King said in an interview. âThere may not have been an explicit agreement but they were both consciously pursing the same end, which was the election of Donald Trump. And for the Russians, the extra benefit was disrupting American democracy.â
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The report is the product of one of the few congressional investigations in recent memory that retained bipartisan support throughout. Lawmakers and committee aides interviewed more than 200 witnesses and reviewed hundreds of thousands of documents, including intelligence reports, internal F.B.I. notes and correspondence among members of the Trump campaign. The committee convened hearings in 2017 and 2018, but most of its work took place out of public view.
The report suggested that Mr. Manafort was compromised by his financial ties with Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs, who themselves were connected to Mr. Kilimnik, the Russian intelligence operative.
It cited Mr. Manafortâs ties to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch described as a âproxyâ for Russian state and intelligence services who claimed that Mr. Manafort owed him money. And it described at length Mr. Manafortâs relationships with a cluster of pro-Russia oligarchs in Ukraine, who had paid him tens of millions of dollars as a political consultant in Ukraine.
âManafort conducted influence operations that supported and were a part of Russian active measures campaigns, including those involving political influence and electoral interference,â the report said.
Before, during and after he was forced out as Mr. Trumpâs campaign chairman, the report said, Mr. Manafort offered inside information and assistance to these Russian-aligned interests. Mr. Kilimnik was Mr. Manafortâs intermediary with both Mr. Deripaska and the Ukrainian oligarchs, according to the report. It recounted how he briefed Mr. Kilimnik at an August 2016 meeting on the Trump campaignâs strategy to defeat Hillary Clinton, describing efforts in the battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Minnesota and the margins by which Mr. Trump might win.
The report also shed new light on the interaction between Russian intelligence and WikiLeaks â and between WikiLeaks and the Trump campaign. WikiLeaks, which released tranches of stolen Democratic emails that helped damage Mrs. Clintonâs campaign, not only played a clear role in the election interference but also âvery likely knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort,â the report said.
Kurt, you should also check out the first piece for more details. It has charts showing the time and nature of contacts between Trump, Trump campaign members and Russiansâincluding members of the Russian government.
“Finally we have a president who will confront Putin on the real issues at hand,” an expert told Vox.
Good, but I don't know what Biden is able to do about it
...wellllllll, given that the other guy was too afraid to confront Russia on anything. I would say that this is a step in the right direction.
So Russia, Russia, Russia is real then as far as you are concerned, right ? I'm saying this based on what you wrote above since you never replied to this below ... . kurtster wrote:
VV wrote:
kurtster wrote:
Russia, Russia, Russia was real ? We have a real disconnect here.
Absolutely... always have... always will.
Trump took to calling everything "fake" and "fake news" when it painted him in a bad light. I don't see Biden doing the same and welcome a shift back to some sort of normalcy.
Russia, Russia, Russia was the first media lie and used as the basis for treating Trump as a POS for the rest of his term.
It has been completely disproved and is actually all on Hillary and the DNC with help from Obama's DOJ with Obama and Biden directly participating as has been established.
The latest document declassification proves this once and for all. Yet you and most others here still would bet your lives that it was all real and not a frame job on Trump. That is the disconnect.
Russia, Russia, Russia was the lie said over and over again so much that the lie became truth.
