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Posted: Jul 9, 2024 - 10:00am

The irrelevance of Biden’s senility ~ Asia Times.
Or, "RollOverLayDown."

An old saying warns that we are better off knowing neither the process by which our dinner is made nor the process by which we are governed.. >>> so many legislators act as if their craft is best carried out away from public view. <<<

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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 10:06pm

 Beaker wrote:


I appreciate that you are willing to affirm that you're a certifiable nutbar, that you are incapable of critical thinking, and have no interest in retractions or apologies, as you continue on with your destructive screed on this forum.

Thanks for confirming my views.



Beaker, this is you waiting for that retraction and apology: 


Trump is a rapist. He's a felon. He owes $500+ million. His incompetence helped kill 400,000 more people from Covid than would have died if his administration done its job. There's good evidence that he sexually molested children. 

What are you rooting for here, Beaker? More corruption? The death of democracy? It can't be Trump because he's one of the most awful human beings alive. 

I''m sorry you're taking your troll job so personally. Maybe you should apologize to yourself during a quiet moment alone. 

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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 8:27pm

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Katie Johnson withdrew her lawsuit because she and her family were receiving death threats. 

Read the available documents from the case. Katie Johnson stated that Trump had sexual encounters with her on four different occasions while she was 13. She also stated that Trump and Jeffery Epstein knew she was 13 when they had sexual encounters with her and another underage girl. 

The testimony is quite compelling. 

https://www.politico.com/f/?id...
https://www.slideshare.net/sli...

If you choose to disregard Katie Johnson, you can spin some wild babble about E. Jean Carroll and Ivana Trump. Both women reported that Trump raped them. Do you deny it? 

Two juries believed E. Jean in courts of law after testimony, cross-examination and presentation of evidence. 

Ivana Trump wrote a published book in which she recounted Trump's rape of her. Trump did not sue for defamation of character. 

We could also talk about the 25+ women who've stated that Trump raped, sexually assaulted and/or harassed them. 


But you want to huff and puff instead. 

Who should I apologize to, Beaker? Der Drumpfer? You, his chatbot shill? 

Your life must really be awful if you have to defend a rapist, felon, compulsive liar, and demented narcissist who owes over $500 MILLION in civil compensation. Maybe you do it for free. That would be incredibly pathetic. 


I appreciate that you are willing to affirm that you're a certifiable nutbar, that you are incapable of critical thinking, and have no interest in retractions or apologies, as you continue on with your destructive screed on this forum.

Thanks for confirming my views.

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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 8:22pm

If you want to give Kurt a mulligan, you could call Trump as a "soon-to-be convicted felon" until Merchan sentences him in September. 

But he's still a felon. 
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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 8:17pm

 Beaker wrote:

You're a certifiable nutbar with a potty mouth and a complete inability to conduct even the most basic of research before you fire volley after volley of incendiary statements.

Newsweek, July 4: Donald Trump, Katie Johnson Allegations: Everything We Know

Word/phrase count: 
allegations - 1
dismissed - 4
withdrawn - 1
dropped - 1
notice to dismiss - 1

I'd suggest you should retract and apologize - but we all know you are incapable of that.






Katie Johnson withdrew her lawsuit because she and her family were receiving death threats. 

Read the available documents from the case. Katie Johnson stated that Trump had sexual encounters with her on four different occasions while she was 13. She also stated that Trump and Jeffery Epstein knew she was 13 when they had sexual encounters with her and another underage girl. 

The testimony is quite compelling. 

https://www.politico.com/f/?id...
https://www.slideshare.net/sli...

If you choose to disregard Katie Johnson, you can spin some wild babble about E. Jean Carroll and Ivana Trump. Both women reported that Trump raped them. Do you deny it? 

Two juries believed E. Jean in courts of law after testimony, cross-examination and presentation of evidence. 

Ivana Trump wrote a published book in which she recounted Trump's rape of her. Trump did not sue for defamation of character. 

We could also talk about the 25+ women who've stated that Trump raped, sexually assaulted and/or harassed them. 


But you want to huff and puff instead. 

Who should I apologize to, Beaker? Der Drumpfer? You, his chatbot shill? 

Your life must really be awful if you have to defend a rapist, felon, compulsive liar, and demented narcissist who owes over $500 MILLION in civil compensation. Maybe you do it for free. That would be incredibly pathetic. 
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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 7:25pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Did you really say Steeler's afraid to get into a semantics argument with you? 
 
Yes. 
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It is not semantics.  It is a yes or no question.

It's like there is no such thing as a little bit pregnant.  Either you is or you isn't.

Here's some more info to go with the other article.  I had to go to Bing to find these.  I went through about 5 google pages, found nothing and gave up.  Bing had these on the first page.
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Yale law professor says Trump isn’t a convicted felon despite guilty verdict — here’s why

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Why Donald Trump Isn't A Convicted Felon (Yet)


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These two make for a total of three pieces that support my point.
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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 6:16pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/0...
OPINION

GUEST ESSAY

James Carville: Biden Won’t Win. Democrats Need a Plan. Here’s One.


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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 4:47pm

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The court has not entered anything.  There is yet to be a finding of anything official entered.  A jury verdict by itself means nothing until a judge acts on it.

I can only conclude that steeler is afraid to answer a simple yes or no question for fear of the reaction he may get.


allow me to point to the relevant string of words:

a finding of guilt by a jury


Did you really say Steeler's afraid to get into a semantics argument with you? I mean, who wouldn't be, because you will just give him a water-torture stream of nonsense until he throws in the towel.
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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 4:38pm

 Beaker wrote:


I don't think some of the regular participants in these political topics have any grasp at all how the vile tone of their posts actually harms RP.

Case in point, that which is quoted.




Here! Here!


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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 4:36pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

The State of New York defines Conviction as "Conviction - When the court enters a plea of guilty or a finding of guilt by a jury or the Court."
https://ww2.nycourts.gov/COURT... The State of Florida goes a step further to specify "the term “convicted” means, with respect to a person's felony offense, a determination of guilt which is the result of a trial or the entry of a plea of guilty or nolo contendere, regardless of whether adjudication is withheld."
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/n...
 
The court has not entered anything.  There is yet to be a finding of anything official entered.  A jury verdict by itself means nothing until a judge acts on it.

I can only conclude that steeler is afraid to answer a simple yes or no question for fear of the reaction he may get.
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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 4:26pm

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Fixed yer post. 

What, are you upset that I brought up the fact that Trump is a felon and adjudicated rapist? Or that there's strong evidence that he was sexually involved with at least one underage girl? 

Or maybe there's another innocent reason that Trump regularly called Jeffrey Epstein—even at 5 am—for massage appointments. Do tell. 

As for Katie Johnson...I guess she doesn't count for you. Because Trump. 


You're a certifiable nutbar with a potty mouth and a complete inability to conduct even the most basic of research before you fire volley after volley of incendiary statements.

Newsweek, July 4: Donald Trump, Katie Johnson Allegations: Everything We Know

Word/phrase count: 
allegations - 1
dismissed - 4
withdrawn - 1
dropped - 1
notice to dismiss - 1

I'd suggest you should retract and apologize - but we all know you are incapable of that.



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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 3:59pm

 Beaker wrote:


I don't think some of the regular participants in these political topics have any grasp at all how the vile tone pointlessness of their posts actually harms RP.

Case in point, that which is quoted.






Fixed yer post. 

What, are you upset that I brought up the fact that Trump is a felon and adjudicated rapist? Or that there's strong evidence that he was sexually involved with at least one underage girl? 

Or maybe there's another innocent reason that Trump regularly called Jeffrey Epstein—even at 5 am—for massage appointments. Do tell. 

As for Katie Johnson...I guess she doesn't count for you. Because Trump. 

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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 3:58pm

Oh noes!  Anyway ...




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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 3:43pm

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There, fixed the statement.  Better now ?

From you link.  

A conviction is an adjudication of a criminal defendant’s guilt

The adjudication part is when the judge makes their final determination ... which has not happened and to paraphrase the judge (cuz I'm not going to spend time looking for the actual quote), may not happen ...

Here is the support for my remarks about convictions

Lawyer — President Trump is not actually a convicted felon. Media outlets should be careful.
I spent a fair amount of time researching the meaning of adjudication regarding the Trump case where he was adjudicated a rapist by the judge, in conflict with the jury's finding of sexual abuse in the case.  The judge inserted his opinion, not fact in making his finding.  That is a very important distinction which everyone (who posts on the subject) ignores.  They want to call him a convicted rapist.

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M



The State of New York defines Conviction as "Conviction - When the court enters a plea of guilty or a finding of guilt by a jury or the Court."
https://ww2.nycourts.gov/COURT...

The State of Florida goes a step further to specify "the term “convicted” means, with respect to a person's felony offense, a determination of guilt which is the result of a trial or the entry of a plea of guilty or nolo contendere, regardless of whether adjudication is withheld."
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/n...

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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 3:41pm

 some clown aka kcar wrote:

He's a convicted felon, Kurt. If you want to wait until Merchan hands down a sentence before calling him a convicted felon, go ahead. 

Maybe you could say "he's a pre-sentencing felon!"

As for Trump raping E. Jean Carroll—I guess you're saying "he only raped her a little!"

We can also add that there's strong evidence that Trump is a pedophile. Perhaps we'll just stick with "suspected pedophile" for now.  



I don't think some of the regular participants in these political topics have any grasp at all how the vile tone of their posts actually harms RP.

Case in point, that which is quoted.




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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 3:38pm

He's a convicted felon, Kurt. If you want to wait until Merchan hands down a sentence before calling him a convicted felon, go ahead. 

Maybe you could say "he's a pre-sentencing felon!"

As for Trump raping E. Jean Carroll—I guess you're saying "he only raped her a little!"

We can also add that there's strong evidence that Trump is a pedophile. Perhaps we'll just stick with "suspected pedophile" for now.  
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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 3:34pm

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You did not directly answer the clearly stated question.

Is he or isn't he a "convicted felon" as we sit here right now ?

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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 3:29pm

 kurtster wrote:

So is Trump a convicted felon or not as we sit here right now ? 

Is it premature or not ?

That is what matters as the lust here to call Trump a "convicted felon" is at a fever pitch.

No, we all already know he's a convicted felon. No lust needed.
 
It's your recent feeble attempt to try and state otherwise that is at issue here. I went back and saw that it wasn't you who originally posted what you are trying to pass off as "proof"... but until it was posted... you weren't trying to argue otherwise. Sorry but what you're throwing up against the wall... ain't stickin'.


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Posted: Jul 8, 2024 - 3:26pm

 steeler wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

So is Trump a convicted felon or not as we sit here right now ?  Is it premature or not ? That is what matters as the lust here to call Trump a "convicted felon" is at a fever pitch.

conviction - A judgment of guilt against a criminal defendant.
 
You did not directly answer the clearly stated question.

Is he or isn't he a "convicted felon" as we sit here right now ?
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