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Posted: Dec 29, 2010 - 6:03pm

 Manbird wrote:

Georgia Bill Would Force State Taxpayers To Pay Only In Gold Or Silver

Georgia state Rep. Bobby Franklin (R) loves to introduce far-right reactionary bills. Among his greatest hits are an assault of Georgia’s authority to vaccinate its citizens, an unconstitutional bill declaring Roe v. Wade a “nullity,” and, of course, a bill eliminating income taxes.

Yet Franklin may have outdone himself with his “Constitutional Tender Act,” which would require all transactions with the state of Georgia — including the payment of taxes — to be paid with U.S. minted gold or silver coins unless the state agrees to grant a special waiver for each transaction:

Pre-1965 silver coins, silver eagles, and gold eagles shall be the exclusive medium which the state shall use to make any payments whatsoever to any person or entity, whether private or governmental. Such coins shall be the exclusive medium which the state shall accept from any person or entity as payment of any obligation to the state including, without limitation, the payment of taxes; provided, however, that such coins and other forms of currency may be used in all other transactions within the state upon mutual consent of the parties of any such transaction.

Were Franklin’s bill ever to become law it would have immediate and catastrophic consequences for Georgia’s economy. Among other things, the U.S. Mint simply does not make very many gold and silver coins — the Mint has even suspended sales of precious medal coins when demand rises above very low levels — so it is unlikely that enough coins even exist to allow Georgia taxpayers to pay more than a fraction of their tax obligations if they are required to do so in U.S. minted gold or silver.

Lawmakers in other states, such as Utah, have proposed slightly modified versions of Franklin’s bill which would allow citizens to mint their own gold and silver coins, and proponents of both the Georgia and the Utah version of the bill tout it as a backdoor way toreimpose the gold and silver standard on America. This result, though unlikely, would also have disastrous consequences.

Gold or silver standards leave a nation completely powerless to control its own monetary policy, often tying inflation rates to completely arbitrary factors such as the rate that gold is mined in South Africa, rather than to the interests of a national economy. Worse, it leaves a nation without one of its most important tools to push back against economic downturns. In the 1930s, the United States was one of the last major nations to abandon the gold standard, and this failure to act was one of the principle causes of the Great Depression.

Sadly, however, the lunatic view that America should reembrace the failed economic policies of the Hoover Administration is not limited to a handful of state lawmakers. When the new Congress convenes next week, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) will assume the chair of the House subcommittee that oversees federal monetary policy, and Paul has been pushing for decades to crucify mankind upon a cross of gold.


 
good grief..what will the baggers come up with next?.....a chicken for a loaf of bread? 

only a little over a week til we find out.  could be a real interesting next 2 years for the country.

Manbird

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Posted: Dec 29, 2010 - 4:28pm

Georgia Bill Would Force State Taxpayers To Pay Only In Gold Or Silver

Georgia state Rep. Bobby Franklin (R) loves to introduce far-right reactionary bills. Among his greatest hits are an assault of Georgia’s authority to vaccinate its citizens, an unconstitutional bill declaring Roe v. Wade a “nullity,” and, of course, a bill eliminating income taxes.

Yet Franklin may have outdone himself with his “Constitutional Tender Act,” which would require all transactions with the state of Georgia — including the payment of taxes — to be paid with U.S. minted gold or silver coins unless the state agrees to grant a special waiver for each transaction:

Pre-1965 silver coins, silver eagles, and gold eagles shall be the exclusive medium which the state shall use to make any payments whatsoever to any person or entity, whether private or governmental. Such coins shall be the exclusive medium which the state shall accept from any person or entity as payment of any obligation to the state including, without limitation, the payment of taxes; provided, however, that such coins and other forms of currency may be used in all other transactions within the state upon mutual consent of the parties of any such transaction.

Were Franklin’s bill ever to become law it would have immediate and catastrophic consequences for Georgia’s economy. Among other things, the U.S. Mint simply does not make very many gold and silver coins — the Mint has even suspended sales of precious medal coins when demand rises above very low levels — so it is unlikely that enough coins even exist to allow Georgia taxpayers to pay more than a fraction of their tax obligations if they are required to do so in U.S. minted gold or silver.

Lawmakers in other states, such as Utah, have proposed slightly modified versions of Franklin’s bill which would allow citizens to mint their own gold and silver coins, and proponents of both the Georgia and the Utah version of the bill tout it as a backdoor way toreimpose the gold and silver standard on America. This result, though unlikely, would also have disastrous consequences.

Gold or silver standards leave a nation completely powerless to control its own monetary policy, often tying inflation rates to completely arbitrary factors such as the rate that gold is mined in South Africa, rather than to the interests of a national economy. Worse, it leaves a nation without one of its most important tools to push back against economic downturns. In the 1930s, the United States was one of the last major nations to abandon the gold standard, and this failure to act was one of the principle causes of the Great Depression.

Sadly, however, the lunatic view that America should reembrace the failed economic policies of the Hoover Administration is not limited to a handful of state lawmakers. When the new Congress convenes next week, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) will assume the chair of the House subcommittee that oversees federal monetary policy, and Paul has been pushing for decades to crucify mankind upon a cross of gold.



Lazy8

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 11:53am

 BasmntMadman wrote:
You missed your chance to send me some gold Krugerrands and start weaning me from wicked fiat currency.  Oh, well, too late...
 
After striking that blow I was just exhausted. Maybe for your birthday.

BasmntMadman

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 9:16am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 BasmntMadman wrote:
There is a coercive element to Christmas. It's Christmo-Fascism!  You'd better get the gifts, put up the tree, attend the parties with your tiresome, backstabbing co-workers, and damned sight better merit an invitation, so be good for goodness' sake. SANTA is watching you.  Security Against Not-Tolerated Activities

Be a part of Christmas...
or there will be severe penalties. 

To strike a blow against this oppression I didn't get you anything this year.

Have a day!
 
You missed your chance to send me some gold Krugerrands and start weaning me from wicked fiat currency.  Oh, well, too late...


hippiechick

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Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 7:32am

PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'


R_P

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Posted: Dec 15, 2010 - 4:54pm

GOP Senators Invoke Christmas In Order To Pointlessly Obstruct The START Treaty
(...) Mind you, no one in the world is asking senators to actually come to work on Christmas. But opponents of START have very strategically marked off the calendar to create a holiday-themed "no-go zone" for considering the treaty. First, we have Senator Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.):
GOP Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl quickly took offense to the notion that legislators might be expected to work after December 25 and accused Reid of potentially "disrespecting one of the two holiest of holidays for Christians."

"It is impossible to do all of the things that the majority leader laid out without doing — frankly, without disrespecting the institution and without disrespecting one of the two holiest of holidays for Christians and the families of all of the Senate, not just the senators themselves but all of the staff," Kyl said in response to Reid's claim that he would force the body to work through the holiday recess in order to vote on a number of key Democratic agenda items including Obama's START nuclear arms treaty, the DREAM Act, a bill that would overturn the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, and a highly contentious spending bill that would authorize federal spending for next year.
(...)

Respect my the holy day!
R_P

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Posted: Dec 15, 2010 - 4:14pm

Via, via



Give someone a brain for Xmas...

duchamp

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Posted: Dec 15, 2010 - 2:44pm

 BasmntMadman wrote:

There is a coercive element to Christmas. It's Christmo-Fascism!  You'd better get the gifts, put up the tree, attend the parties with your tiresome, backstabbing co-workers, and damned sight better merit an invitation, so be good for goodness' sake. SANTA is watching you.  Security Against Not-Tolerated Activities

Be a part of Christmas...
or there will be severe penalties. 


 
Talk to Madison Avenue about that one.  


Manbird

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Posted: Dec 15, 2010 - 1:46pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 BasmntMadman wrote:
There is a coercive element to Christmas. It's Christmo-Fascism!  You'd better get the gifts, put up the tree, attend the parties with your tiresome, backstabbing co-workers, and damned sight better merit an invitation, so be good for goodness' sake. SANTA is watching you.  Security Against Not-Tolerated Activities

Be a part of Christmas...
or there will be severe penalties. 

To strike a blow against this oppression I didn't get you anything this year.

Have a day!
 
make him
Lazy8

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Posted: Dec 15, 2010 - 1:45pm

 BasmntMadman wrote:
There is a coercive element to Christmas. It's Christmo-Fascism!  You'd better get the gifts, put up the tree, attend the parties with your tiresome, backstabbing co-workers, and damned sight better merit an invitation, so be good for goodness' sake. SANTA is watching you.  Security Against Not-Tolerated Activities

Be a part of Christmas...
or there will be severe penalties. 

To strike a blow against this oppression I didn't get you anything this year.

Have a day!

sirdroseph

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Posted: Dec 15, 2010 - 10:52am

 BasmntMadman wrote:

There is a coercive element to Christmas. It's Christmo-Fascism!  You'd better get the gifts, put up the tree, attend the parties with your tiresome, backstabbing co-workers, and damned sight better merit an invitation, so be good for goodness' sake. SANTA is watching you.  Security Against Not-Tolerated Activities

Be a part of Christmas...
or there will be severe penalties. 


 

Other than for children, I rarely buy anybody anything for Christmas. No one cares, they just know thats how I roll. None of my friends or family care, other than to stay in touch and let them know that I love them. I have never encountered any pressure, most pressure is perceived and from within.........{#Meditate}
oldviolin

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Posted: Dec 15, 2010 - 10:23am

 BasmntMadman wrote:

There is a coercive element to Christmas. It's Christmo-Fascism!  You'd better get the gifts, put up the tree, attend the parties with your tiresome, backstabbing co-workers, and damned sight better merit an invitation, so be good for goodness' sake. SANTA is watching you.  Security Against Not-Tolerated Activities

Be a part of Christmas...
or there will be severe penalties. 


 

vote no for cream corn...
BasmntMadman

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Posted: Dec 15, 2010 - 10:21am

 hippiechick wrote:

The conversation started because right wing congressman (or somebody, I don't even remember anymore) refused to appear in a parade because the parade holders changed the parade from a "Christmas" parade to a "holiday" parade. And Kurtster doesn't understand why everyone shouldn't want it to be that way, because his point is that it is a Christian nation, which it isn't.   

I didn't say I was offended by Christmas. It's the people who think that everyone should enjoy Christmas that I find annoying. The spirit of the season is the spirit of Christmas, and I don't celebrate Christmas. Period. If it makes you feel better to wish me Merry Christmas, go right ahead. If you want to be more sensitive, and recognize that it's not all about you and your holiday, then don't give me a greeting that means nothing to me. I know this is a hard concept to wrap your head around. I simply don't celebrate Christmas. I get tired being told that I should, or that I should enjoy it, just because everyone else around me does. I am not stopping you from celebrating, just don't think that I am wrong because I don't. It's like not being a sports fan, but being constantly bombarded by everything sports, and then people being pissed at you because you aren't jumping up and down for their team.

Scott wanted to know if I would be offended by being greeted by the Chinese New Year. I can't imagine anyone extending that greeting to me, because I do not celebrate the Chinese New Year. That doesn't mean I can't go to Chinatown and enjoy the parade. I don't walk around wishing people who aren't Jewish L'Shana Tova, Happy Jewish New Year, I can't imagine expecting people to want to hear that from me, or to make them come to synagogue to pray, or to participate in any other aspects of Jewish holidays. It would simply be in bad taste. What a person celebrates is up to them. No one has ever demanded that everyone gets the Jewish religious holidays off. In fact, most companies make those people take PTO days.

But I have certainly wasted enough breath on this subject. It's always easier to make fun of something than to try to understand where another person is coming from. That's the way it is for minorities. 

 
There is a coercive element to Christmas. It's Christmo-Fascism!  You'd better get the gifts, put up the tree, attend the parties with your tiresome, backstabbing co-workers, and damned sight better merit an invitation, so be good for goodness' sake. SANTA is watching you.  Security Against Not-Tolerated Activities

Be a part of Christmas...
or there will be severe penalties. 



Red_Dragon

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Posted: Dec 14, 2010 - 5:35pm

 Manbird wrote:



 
Remember when someone put a KICK ME HARD sign on your ass and you
crossed it out and wrote ALL YOU CAN EAT - FOR FREE? That was funny -
but it gave me diahrea dhiarrea the shits.

Manbird

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Posted: Dec 14, 2010 - 5:33pm

 oldviolin wrote:


I got raisins. 
 

oldviolin

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Posted: Dec 14, 2010 - 5:30pm

 Manbird wrote:

I am a label on a tin can

 

I got raisins. 

Manbird

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Posted: Dec 14, 2010 - 5:28pm

 oldviolin wrote:

you always show up when nutz are mentioned...
 
I am a label on a tin can
oldviolin

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Posted: Dec 14, 2010 - 5:25pm

 Manbird wrote:

hab town babies
sing that song
doo-lah! doo-lah!
hab town racers
five mile log
oh de hab down day 

 
you always show up when nutz are mentioned...

Manbird

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Posted: Dec 14, 2010 - 5:22pm

 oldslabsides wrote:

No, it's too late. rules are rules! they are!
 
hab town babies
sing that song
doo-lah! doo-lah!
hab town racers
five mile log
oh de hab down day 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Dec 14, 2010 - 5:20pm

 Manbird wrote:

"i'm a farmer not a bus driver"

 
No, it's too late. rules are rules! they are!

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