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DaveInSaoMiguel

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Location: No longer in a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA
Gender: Male

Posted: Sep 11, 2013 - 10:55am
Anthony Weiner caps failed comeback bid with obscene gesture Glad to see he is taking losing with his usual grace under fire...

miamizsun

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Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
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Posted: Sep 5, 2013 - 3:24pm
Manbird wrote: I think the expression is "Schew-win" doi.

Manbird

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Location: La Villa Toscana
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Posted: Sep 5, 2013 - 3:06pm
miamizsun wrote: move this guy to tampa and he's a shoe-in I think the expression is "Schew-win" doi.

miamizsun

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Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
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Posted: Sep 5, 2013 - 3:03pm
Proclivities wrote: It's pretty unlikely he'll ever be elected to any political office anytime soon but there is probably some future for him on Reality TV or some cable news outlet. move this guy to tampa and he's a shoe-in

pigtail

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Location: Southern California
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Posted: Sep 5, 2013 - 11:34am
Red_Dragon wrote: Maybe he could be a porn star. blech.....put a bag over his head and perhaps he would be viewable.

Red_Dragon

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Location: Gilead

Posted: Sep 5, 2013 - 9:50am
Proclivities wrote: It's pretty unlikely he'll ever be elected to any political office anytime soon but there is probably some future for him on Reality TV or some cable news outlet. Maybe he could be a porn star.

Proclivities

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Location: Paris of the Piedmont
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Posted: Sep 5, 2013 - 8:47am
cc_rider wrote: I heard a bit of that on the radio on the way to work today. I had to change it, I couldn't stand it. What a tool that guy is. That said, I have a 'Carlos Danger For Mayor' tee shirt. It's pretty unlikely he'll ever be elected to any political office anytime soon but there is probably some future for him on Reality TV or some cable news outlet.

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Location: Bastrop
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Posted: Sep 5, 2013 - 8:39am
DaveInVA wrote: Weiner chews out patron at Brooklyn bakery I heard a bit of that on the radio on the way to work today. I had to change it, I couldn't stand it. What a tool that guy is. That said, I have a 'Carlos Danger For Mayor' tee shirt.

DaveInSaoMiguel

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Location: No longer in a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA
Gender: Male

Posted: Sep 5, 2013 - 8:33am
Weiner chews out patron at Brooklyn bakery

ScottFromWyoming

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Location: Powell
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Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 10:44pm
Red_Dragon wrote: you're an idiot AND a jackass. there, I said it. Man. Talk about sending up a bat-signal. Keep it down, willya?

Red_Dragon

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Location: Gilead

Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 8:30pm
Servo wrote: you're an idiot AND a jackass. there, I said it.

Red_Dragon

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Location: Gilead

Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 8:28pm
islander wrote: is this a confession? were you really exo?

Red_Dragon

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Location: Gilead

Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 8:26pm
islander wrote: Schlabby is Winter mixed with Shelly long and cheap gin. wait. what?

winter

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Location: in exile, as always
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Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 7:34pm
islander wrote: Schlabby is Winter mixed with Shelly long and cheap gin. Wait, what?

islander

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Location: West coast somewhere
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Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 7:25pm
mutepoint wrote: Actually, I revealed a long time ago that I'm really Schlabby. But y'all weren't paying attention. Schlabby is Winter mixed with Shelly long and cheap gin.

islander

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Location: West coast somewhere
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Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 5:31pm
mutepoint wrote: Ho hum. Revealed: how I posed as a Left-wing nutjob on the Guardian's Comment is Free – and got away with it is this a confession? were you really exo?

Servo

Location: Down on the Farm
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Posted: Aug 29, 2012 - 7:51pm

ScottN wrote:

Seniors, the disadvantaged, the poor and other DEM voters all have trouble accessing the DOT or wherever for a PHOTO ID. It is a mark of the Rep party, middle class white and enfranchised in society who have ID's. Voter fraud is NOT a problem in the USA and the REP's acknowledge this. If you're a US citizen, resident and over the voting age and can prove it somehow you should be able to vote. This is voter suppression (admitted to by some REP's). Simple as that.

The fact of the matter is that voter suppression is carefully tailored by GOPs, for GOPs to keep voters who aren't going to vote their way from voting at all.

I remember when no more ID than a valid ticket and boarding pass was required to board an airplane; before the Bush/Cheney/GOP Big Government forced their way into the private sector and limited personal liberties.

I remember when showing proof of citizenship was not required, before two-faced, Big Government GOP politicians forced their way into the private sector and limited personal liberties.

I remember when driver's licenses had no photos, the drinking age was 18, and a matching signature was (and still is in some places) all that was necessary to withdraw money from the bank and to cast a vote. None of the police state papers checkpoints that most Americans are blindly accepting, like lambs being led to the slaughter, were necessary in the past. And 9-11 is the most cowardly excuse for any American to trade in the liberties of anonymity and unencumbered passage and more for the thin illusion of security.

The right to vote is a Constitutionally protected right of citizenship. No politician has the right to abridge that right. Not one single bit.

ScottN

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Location: Half inch above the K/T boundary
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Posted: Aug 28, 2012 - 2:26pm

kurtster wrote:

If that's what its all about, then I'll just respectfully disagree.

I see no reason to object to having the same ID necessary to get a job, board an airplane or buy booze and cigarettes for voting.

Oh and there are always elections. These laws you refer to have been in the works for many months and in some cases, years. The right before election time is not a valid claim, IMO.

No, most are recent (since 20008 and certainly sinc e since 2000.

Seniors, the disadvantaged, the poor and other DEM voters all have trouble accessing the DOT or wherever for a PHOTO ID. It is a mark of the Rep party, middle class white and enfranchised in society who have ID's. Voter fraud is NOT a problem in the USA and the REP's acknowledge this. If you're a US citizen, resident and over the voting age and can prove it somehow you should be able to vote. This is voter suppression (admitted to by some REP's). Simple as that.

kurtster

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Location: where fear is not a virtue
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Posted: Aug 28, 2012 - 9:31am

buddy wrote:

kurtster wrote:

So what happens to the children who benefit from the tax if everyone quits smoking ?

The tens of thousands of people who will live many years longer will be paying way more taxes on income and other things than they ever did on cigarettes - we could allocate some of those taxes to programs for children, including for education on not smoking, doing drugs, etc so they can live longer and pay more taxes! BAM! Next question!

What happens to all the programs that benefit from the taxation of cigarettes ?

See first answer. BAM! Next question!

Are you aware that the annual take on cigarette taxes is $100 Billion per year, none of which benefits the smokers such as in healthcare for the smoker ? With that much money paid in taxes, smokers could pay for their own health related issues with plenty of money left over for other things.

So let's see here....let the smokers pay for their own healthcare for the illnesses and eventual death from smoking and....BAM! You lost me there! Pretzel logic!

Smokers would be paying for their own health care if the taxes collected were not used for other unrelated things. Kinda like gas taxes being used to pay for roads and infrastructure. Society objects to having to pay higher health insurance premiums because of the costs shared by smokers when added to the insurance pool.

The $100 B is a solid number as I have done the research long ago. Its more than the tax increase on the wealthy that Obama is trying to get passed which by most estimates only brings in $85 B per year.

I reject your premise that collecting $100 billion in taxes for something that kills Americans is any kind of a good thing. Sorry, it's a bleeding hear Liberal compassion kind of thing. And these things are not mutually exclusive, dollar for dollar. Apples and cigarette butts. BAM! Next question!

You have seriously misconstrued this point. I am just calling a spade a spade. Take the money from the smokers and complain about them rather than saying thank you. And just how would you replace this $100 Billion dollars of taxes ? What would all the people say who would no longer benefit from these programs funded by smokers if they would suddenly cease to exist ? Think of all the children who would be without health care !!!!!

That's a lot of money to extract from a decidedly lower class segment of the population.

I find supporting your argument by making smoking some kind of class thing irrelevant. All classes smoke, and I'd wager in proportional numbers. Can't be helped there are more poor people than....oh wait, it could be helped!!!!! BAM! Next question!

A disproportionate number of smokers are lower class, less educated wage earners. The incidence of smoking drops as incomes and education levels rise. This has been widely studied. You'll just have to take my word for it. I'm not digging for support of this factoid.

How come cigarettes are not just simply banned ? Because of that $100 B is why.

Now you're just messing with me. Yeah, it's the taxes for sure....not the ultra rich tobacco companies and their hardcore lobbyists, who've been raking in mega-billions for a couple of centuries now by producing a product that kills people (not to mention using slave labor early on). AND gives the government yet another reason to tax Americans, which I would think you'd be up in arms about. BAM! Next question!

Both tobacco and government are preying on a class of legal addicts. This cycle needs to be stopped. The settlement money has been abused by the receiving states, where most simply put the money in their general funds. Smokers are one of the most heavily taxed demographics in this country and peanlized by laws making smoking nearly impossible including employment in many cases. You cannot work for many companies if you smoke, which is legal. In fact, some companies are firing smokers who cannot or will not quit. Smokers are basically being spit upon for their legal habit, which through taxes support so many programs that the spitters benefit and enjoy. Sports stadiums and in the case of Cleveland, Ohio, museums. Smokers pay for these places yet cannot smoke in them.

Oh, and your claim that tobacco is presently regulated by the FDA is false, too, IIRC. While the sale is restricted, as it has been forever in most cases, they are not involved at all in the manufacture and content of tobacco products. The FDA just duplicated FTC and state laws already on the books, or in essence has done nothing new that was not already done before. They are still just as deadly as they have always been.

I don't recall making a point about FDA regulation of tobacco? Am I missing something here? In any event, not sure this is on point.

Your list of Obama's accomplishments ...
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco

I had a point by point reply that I spent about 15 minutes composing. The stupid editor dumped it.

I tried to reconstruct some of my comments, but did not put as much effort into them as the original points I made.

lester

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Posted: Aug 28, 2012 - 2:21am

Jade is right.

It's also interesting to note that most of the American states that have recently implemented voter ID laws, or are considering them, provide for this same exception. That is, a voter may simply sign an affidavit in lieu of presenting a photo ID. In other instances, a "free" ID is provided to anyone signing an affidavit stating that he or she needs an ID to vote.

Do I need to give a link for this? (see Table 2)

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