nuggler wrote:
You are the leader of that group. 

 Coaxial wrote: 
I apologize for that comment. I allowed myself to stoop to your level, and I am sorry for that.

It's amazing to see how many people it takes to try and take Nuggler and HC down. Look at you all, here are two people (regardless of if you like them or not) at least
trying to expose something, someone as being a bit of a crook, trying to expose some truthsand  trying to open your eyes a little to something that may escape you while you sail round the marina a few times or take in that extra round of golf before going home to your leafy 'burbs. But no, all you's can do is try and mock, no debate at all, just mockery. As long as you's are ok, the bank balance is looking healthy and you can take a few holidays a year then that's all that matters, fuck everyone else.

 nuggler wrote: 


This?! From the oracle of dogsh*t?! What'd you do, copy and paste this from a PM from somebody in your large "fanbase"?

 hippiechick wrote: 
I think the point was to counter the obviously tongue in cheek islander post with a tongue in cheek reference to the yacht. 

But when stating that there are 13 million who can't get jobs, 50 million without health insurance and people who can't afford food in what's supposed to be the world's greatest and richest country is in dead earnest. 

And it's impossible not to bump into people who aren't on the edge.  When I relocated to a new area, one of the first people I met was a person who relies on a friend to live rent-free in order to pay down an enormous mountain of debt.  People without health insurance.  People facing eviction or living in their cars.

This in the midst of a massive increase in the stock market, meaning that those who own the corporations are now seeing a massive rise in wealth.

Oh, wait, pointing that out is Just Jealousy.  Noperz, it's really FUCKING WONDERFUL that an upper level corporate prince can afford a new house/car/yacht/aircraft while, say, someone afflicted with schizophrenia lives in a tent. 

Dammit, get with the program!!  Chuck out those feelings of outrage and sentimentaliy that have afflicted the human race since civilization began!!  It's time for...New Capitalist Man!

So, the Koch brothers are personally responsible for all this?   Who said so?  It's dishonest to imply that anyone thinks the Koch brothers are completely responsible.

Are they part of a leadership class that's irresponsibly neglecting the welfare of the entire nation? 

Yes.

And I notice that in all the joshin' a few unsettling facts are obscured:

From the linked New York Times article, it seems that the Koch brothers host get-togethers at Rancho Las Palmas Resort and Spa for a select few. Nothing wrong with that, although these are the same people who try and tell us that they're on the side of the Average American, unlike those Elitist Liberals.

But what's a little unsettling is some of the names on the guest list:

And, from the people harping on Liberty and Freedom of Expression:


Good God, that's the kind of thing Secretive Government Bureaucracies tell their people.  Betcha they lifted the "be mindful of the security and confidentiality of your meeting notes and materials" passage straight from some Government agency

Then there's the link to the companies associated with the Kochs. 

This site shows just how hard it is to vote with our dollars.  Anyone set on boycotting the Kochs would have devote hours on end to checking the list, especially the materials used in other products, then figuring out substitutes.  And suppose they can't find a substitute, or can't afford one?

Really, it's quite simple.  The ownership faction of our civilization is being pig headed about what they are to do.   If the percentage of wealth held by the top 1% is reduced from 33% to 23%, and the proceeds used to benefit the lower orders of the economy, that'd give us 10% of the national wealth, or 10% of $55 trillion = $5.5 trillion.  Interestingly, that's approximately the cost of all the economic bailouts, etc., to deal with the meltdown.

Well, it was largely the elite who fucked up and produced this mess.  They can shell out to fix it.  And in the process make the US a truly better place.  Think of what 5.5 trillion could do.  That's about 5 thousand billion...divided by 50 states its 100 billion per state.  Not a bad little sum.  It can be further apportioned by population, so some states would get even more. 

It'd just be stated as a...milestone. 

Yeah.  Milestones.  

Each year, the top 1%'s wealth share goes down by 2 percentage points. So start with 33%;  in a year 31%, next, 29%, etc,, down to 23%.

Management by Objectives!!! 

Let them figure out how to do it.  As George Patton said "Never tell a person how to do a thing.  Tell them what to do and they'll surprise you with their ingenuity."

 hippiechick wrote: 


The flies aren't the problem. They're the symptom, not the disease. All the aspirin in the world won't fix a brain tumor, and painting the grass green won't keep it from withering without water.

Discredit their ideas and the Kochs are just two more rich nut jobs. Kill the weed at the root or watch it spread like dandelion fluff.

 hippiechick wrote: 
There you go talking out of your ass again...I don't do any opiates.

 hippiechick wrote: 
Its usually the moron contingent that engage you on that level. The same ones who are engaging you right now. They're there for a reason. Look & learn.

 hippiechick wrote: 
I told you I was not the only one doing that!
BTW, that is about the meanest thing I have seen posted here and there have been some mean posts!

 hippiechick wrote:

See, you're taking it all wrong. It's not what we say, it's how you take it.

Just as when you say something, like "While you are sailing your big yacht out there, take a minute or two to give a thought to the 13 million people who can't get jobs, the 50 million people who have no health insurance, and all those people who can't afford food" we're taking it all wrong by seeing that as a mean-spirited ignorant personal attack. See, that was meant as kind, caring, compassionate and loving. Only someone who hates you personally could misinterpret that.

 Coaxial wrote: 
That doesn't mean that I am wrong.

Think about all those people who believed the emperor was wearing clothes.

 Monkeysdad wrote: 
Well well well

Look what the cat dragged in . . . ewww

 hippiechick wrote: 
Then I would suggest that you don't post here because your credibility left town long ago.

 nuggler wrote: 
How about this...You are a waste of oxygen.

 nuggler wrote: 
I have my quirks?

I posted something here that I thought was important and that other people should know. i don't post here to be made fun of by a bunch of people who have nothing to say, but instead making this personal against me.

 nuggler wrote: 


So says the Jew hating kook.

 Coaxial wrote: 

For all the shit you post here you never have anything to say.

 nuggler wrote: 
Wow, what a ringing endorsement.

 hippiechick wrote: 
I hope not. You have things to say that I enjoy hearing. You have your quirks but you're no gamer.

 hippiechick wrote: 
Maybe if you would go away life would be a dream.