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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 3:57pm






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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 1:23pm

 Kaw wrote:
Well the current system is already heavily abused by a large group of people and it is calculated that it is not sustainable anyway. So why not remove or at least change it now. It would not be that bad.

Just look at were refugees go to. They do not stay in the south. They go to Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands and the UK. France is just the road towards the UK for most. Why? Because those countries has the highest social security income.
Simple as that.  

"It would not be that bad. Simple as that."

Probably not from your particular perspective. Right now. It might be a bit different though for old or disabled people relying on the current system that you are so eager to get rid off.

I suspect you have a really simple solution for them as well.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 1:18pm

 RichardPrins wrote:

Clearly the solution to people who want (our) good things, is to remove the good things. {#Rolleyes}

Car thieves might want your car, so it's better to sell your car before they steal it. Some might want your wife, so you'd better get a divorce.

Most people might prefer to live in a democracy, so it's better to get rid of democracy and instead turn it into a brutal and vicious dictatorship. That way people won't be tempted to come either...

It's another race to the bottom where you might end up living in the same circumstances as the people who are seeking to find a better live.

 
Well the current system is already heavily abused by a large group of people and it is calculated that it is not sustainable anyway. So why not remove or at least change it now. It would not be that bad.

Just look at were refugees go to. They do not stay in the south. They go to Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands and the UK. France is just the road towards the UK for most. Why? Because those countries has the highest social security income.
Simple as that. 
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 1:18pm

 Kaw wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-democracy
That's Europe's problem. A small elite rules the democracy and is closely related to the upper class of the economic part of the society. Most politicians get a job in a big commercial firm, often a bank.
The truth is that their decissions are all influenced by the expected jobs after their term as a minister. They care about getting money for themselves and do not care about the state of the country at all.

You can see this process for example with TTIP. A majority of Europe is against it, but it gets pushed through by a small elite of politicians.
The same goes for the refugee crisis. The fact is that they do not care. They do not care that the orriginal people living in their country are getting a minority. They do not care that some minorities like jews are severally prosecuted by islamic people. They do not care that the young women are raped by people that think that women are there to be raped. They do not care about gay rights or christians being afraid to visit a church. They do not care that small villages consisting of just 700 members are flooded with 1500 refugees. All man. All islamic. They do not care that 80% of the refugees are economic refugees and that these people did not come to do work, but to use the social system for free money and free health care. In the Netherlands this is around 1200 euro's a month, including a good medium sized home.

This influx is ruining our economy and blowing up our social health care and income. And after that the equal rights of humans get ruined because the islam does not consider other believes or ways of live as equal.

I am not against refugees. I already proposed to remove our social system. That way the influx of immigrants will stop. They don't go to for example the east of Europe where they have to work for an income. They will avoid the Netherlands too. Only those will come that wants to contribute to our country and I will welcome them.
 

 
uff, pegida lässt grüssen..

there's so much wrong and lop-sided with the above I really don't know where to start...
1. unemployment has been trending downwards for about ten years and is currently at roughly 5%.
2. Germany is facing a demographic time bomb and urgently needs an influx of young new people. 
3. Since the EU the concept of the national state is anyway being constantly diluted. In many German cities there are more non-Germans now than native Germans.. and you know what? No one gives a toss. This is Europe.
4. Curiously, those regions in Germany most vociferous in denouncing the influx of refugees are those with the highest rates of vacant residential space. well, doh...
5. Where I live there is true cross-party consensus that we need to handle this together. It is not a party issue at all and Merkel should get a lot of credit for this.
6. Most of the people living around me who have half a brain can see the parallels between the refugees caused by WWII and the current ongoing war in Syria. This is first and foremost a humanitarian issue. Shame on you that you cannot see that.
7. Nobody here is "losing out" due to the influx of refugees. On the contrary. They will be a boon to the economy and, apart from the odd exception, most of them really are truly grateful to be here.
8. The world is now a village.. don't be scared. Come out and play. 
9. oh, and btw, those heartless politicians you denounce have still managed to secure you a welfare state that most other people on the planet would sell a kidney for, so stop your bleating and try giving something back to the society that nurtured you.
/rant
 
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 1:04pm

 Kaw wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-democracy
That's Europe's problem. A small elite rules the democracy and is closely related to the upper class of the economic part of the society. Most politicians get a job in a big commercial firm, often a bank.
The truth is that their decissions are all influenced by the expected jobs after their term as a minister. They care about getting money for themselves and do not care about the state of the country at all.

You can see this process for example with TTIP. A majority of Europe is against it, but it gets pushed through by a small elite of politicians.
The same goes for the refugee crisis. The fact is that they do not care. They do not care that the orriginal people living in their country are getting a minority. They do not care that some minorities like jews are severally prosecuted by islamic people. They do not care that the young women are raped by people that think that women are there to be raped. They do not care about gay rights or christians being afraid to visit a church. They do not care that small villages consisting of just 700 members are flooded with 1500 refugees. All man. All islamic. They do not care that 80% of the refugees are economic refugees and that these people did not come to do work, but to use the social system for free money and free health care. In the Netherlands this is around 1200 euro's a month, including a good medium sized home.

This influx is ruining our economy and blowing up our social health care and income. And after that the equal rights of humans get ruined because the islam does not consider other believes or ways of live as equal.

I am not against refugees. I already proposed to remove our social system. That way the influx of immigrants will stop. They don't go to for example the east of Europe where they have to work for an income. They will avoid the Netherlands too. Only those will come that wants to contribute to our country and I will welcome them.
 
Clearly the solution to people who want (our) good things is to remove the good things. {#Rolleyes}

Car thieves might want your car, so it's better to sell your car before they steal it. Some might be eyeing your wife, so you'd better get a divorce.

Most people might prefer to live in a democracy, so it's better to get rid of democracy and instead turn it into a brutal and vicious dictatorship. That way people won't be tempted to come either...

It's another race to the bottom where you might end up living in the same circumstances as the people who are seeking to find a better live.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 12:13pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-democracy
That's Europe's problem. A small elite rules the democracy and is closely related to the upper class of the economic part of the society. Most politicians get a job in a big commercial firm, often a bank.
The truth is that their decissions are all influenced by the expected jobs after their term as a minister. They care about getting money for themselves and do not care about the state of the country at all.

You can see this process for example with TTIP. A majority of Europe is against it, but it gets pushed through by a small elite of politicians.
The same goes for the refugee crisis. The fact is that they do not care. They do not care that the orriginal people living in their country are getting a minority. They do not care that some minorities like jews are severally prosecuted by islamic people. They do not care that the young women are raped by people that think that women are there to be raped. They do not care about gay rights or christians being afraid to visit a church. They do not care that small villages consisting of just 700 members are flooded with 1500 refugees. All man. All islamic. They do not care that 80% of the refugees are economic refugees and that these people did not come to do work, but to use the social system for free money and free health care. In the Netherlands this is around 1200 euro's a month, including a good medium sized home.

This influx is ruining our economy and blowing up our social health care and income. And after that the equal rights of humans get ruined because the islam does not consider other believes or ways of live as equal.

I am not against refugees. I already proposed to remove our social system. That way the influx of immigrants will stop. They don't go to for example the east of Europe where they have to work for an income. They will avoid the Netherlands too. Only those will come that wants to contribute to our country and I will welcome them.
 
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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 9:08am

Merkel's opposition: "Merkel had “ruined” Germany like no other leader since the end of WW2". “I bet you that when this is all over and she has left office she will have to leave the country on security grounds. She will have to go into exile in Chile or some other place in South America,”
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/25/full-extent-of-germany-migrant-sex-attacks-revealed-incidents-in-12-of-16-states/

 Full Extent of Germany Migrant Sex Attacks Revealed – Incidents in 75 Per Cent Of The Country

Cologne-style sex attacks by migrant gangs occurred in 12 of Germany’s 16 states, or 75 per cent, on New Year’s Eve, as revealed by German police. Although localised reports of attacks emerged almost immediately via social media, the full scale of the phenomenon is only now becoming clear – and it’s having a devastating effect on German society.

Some 1,049 men and women were victimised in Cologne on New Year’s Eve, subject to a litany of crimes ranging from pickpocketing to gang rape at the hands of migrants and asylum seekers.

It was by far the most widespread example of migrant crime on New Years Eve, but a report by the German Judicial Police (BKA), obtained by news daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung and the NDR and WDR television stations, reveals that it was far from unique, the Local has reported.

A state by state breakdown shows that almost all of Germany was affected by the crime spree. North Rhine-Westphalia, where Cologne is located, suffered the heaviest bout of migrant crime, registering some 1000 individual complaints.

Next on the list is the city-state of Hamburg, where 200 complaints were made.

At the other end of the scale are Lower-Saxony, Brandeburg, Saxony, Rhineland-Palatinate and Saarland, which all received one complaint each. As in Cologne, in almost all cases the

Yet whether it was one incident or one thousand, the people of Germany are increasingly feeling unsafe in their own neighbourhoods, putting pressure on the government to reverse their open door immigration policy which has so far been championed by Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Mrs. Merkel, who is ideologically wed to the idea of an open Europe, is resisting all efforts to close the borders, instead lobbying for other European countries to take in more migrants to spread the load. Her obstinance is causing others within her party to look for ways to control the flow of migrant into Germany without shutting the borders – yesterday Julia Kloeckner, leader of Merkel’s Christian Democrats in the western state of Rhineland-Palatinate suggested setting up a series of “border centres” along the border with Austria in a bid to speed up the processing of migrants and deportation of those rejected.

But Mrs. Merkel’s political opponents have been more forthright. Speaking on TV last night, Beatrix von Storch, chairman of the anti-immigration Alterantive for Germany (AFD) party said Mrs. Merkel had “ruined” Germany like no other leader since the end of WW2.

“I bet you that when this is all over and she has left office she will have to leave the country on security grounds. She will have to go into exile in Chile or some other place in South America,” she added.

Meanwhile the people of Germany are left pleading for more protection from the migrant gangs roaming their streets.

Last week Breitbart London reported on 16 year old Bibi Wilhailm, who uploaded a twenty minute plea for help in the face of the increasing Islamisation of her neighbourhood. Describing how she and a friend witnessed a protest by Muslims calling for death to infidels, she asked: “Why is Germany standing by, watching, and then doing nothing? Please explain, why. Men of Germany, these people are killing your children, they are killing your women. We need your protection.

“The politicians live alone in their villas, drink their cocktails, and do nothing. They do nothing! I do not know what world they live in, but please, people, please help us! Please, do something!”




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Posted: Jan 25, 2016 - 12:49am

Anti-semitism is going through the roof and Jews are abandoning France for Israel. Germany predicted to follow trend soon. http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/flashback-germany-admits-new-huge-problem-from-refugee-crisis/

The hostility Jews are facing as refugees flood Europe is serious. While the media is all too happy to report on stories of so-called Islamophobia, hate crimes against Jews are much more common than against Muslims – both domestically and internationally.

France in particular is seeing a large outflow of Jews following various high-profile terror attacks against its people in that country, such as the 2012 attack on a Jewish school, a 2014 attack on a Jewish museum, and on a Kosher supermarket in Paris last year.

francejews

The figures in Germany haven’t ticked up so far – but the 1.1 million refugees are still “fresh off the boat” Don’t be surprised when a second Exodus begins this year.

 

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Posted: Jan 22, 2016 - 3:34am

The censorship at Facebook is now in full swing. The video below is repeatedly being taken down. It is a plea from a sixteen year old German girl to her leaders to protect the citizens and save Germany from the migrant invasion. The German government now claims to have lost track of 600,000 of the 1.1 million+ registered migrants.



 
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/16-year-old-girls-migrant-fears-video-keeps-disappearing-off-facebook/

“Please help us!… It is… very hard to live day-to-day as a woman” says 16 year old Bibi Wilhailm, a German girl who has uploaded her personal experiences of Arab and Muslim migrants in a new video that some claim is being censored by Facebook under it’s new “hate speech” guidelines.

The 20 minute video, apparently created by the 16 year old Facebook user Miss Wilhailm, starts with her saying that she is, “so scared everywhere, for example if my family and I go out together, or if I see a movie with my friends. Usually I stay out until 6pm in winter, and it is so scary. It is just very hard to live day-to-day as a woman.”

The girl – who some social media users report has now been banned from Facebook, though others say she has removed herself – then goes on to talk about an incident that happened to her at a local supermarket saying, “I ran all the way home. I was frightened for my life. There’s no other way to describe it.”




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Posted: Jan 20, 2016 - 12:24am


http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/636097/France-declares-state-of-economic-emergency-unemployment

France declares a 'state of economic emergency', unemployment at 10%. Merkel has set in motion a chain of events that could well ruin Europe. Millions more refugees will arrive over the next few years. It's all over. Thank the stars that Britain will vote to leave the EU in the referendum later this year. 

EU on brink: France declares 'state of economic emergency' as Germany faces financial ruin



FRANCE is in a state of economic emergency, President Francois Hollande announced today, amid fears the worsening financial situation in Germany could topple the entire eurozone.

Investor sentiment plunged as the socialist leader announced unemployment in France has surged to an 18-year high of 10.6 per cent - plunging the country into a new economic crisis.

It comes as Germany faces the most difficult start to a year in recent memory. Its own industrial production growth has slipped to ZERO per cent and customer confidence has plummeted in a catalogue of disasters for Chancellor Angela Merkel.

An increasingly desperate Mr Hollande has now said he will PAY French employers to hire people in a bid to boost jobs as he sought to restore confidence and said that it was time to address the country's "broken" economic model.

 Experts have warned that if the economies of both nations crumble it would trigger a domino effect which would bring the entire eurozone crashing down and severely damage the global economy.

Earlier this week Angela Merkel admitted that Germany could fail to balance its books this year as it contends with the costs of the refugee crisis.

And today around 40 rebels from German Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative party sent her a letter demanding a change to her liberal refugee policy.

Amid collapsing poll numbers poll numbers about the country's ability to handle the influx, which brought nearly 1.1 million newcomers last year, the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) lawmakers said Merkel must face up to reality.

They wrote: "In light of the developments in recent months, we can no longer speak of a great challenge — we are on the verge of our country being overwhelmed." 



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Posted: Jan 19, 2016 - 12:33pm

 rotekz wrote:
Cameron doesn't have the resolve to to follow through on his promise. It would be like kicking a hornets nest and the government are cowards.

If you want a true picture of just how much the UK government is terrified of upsetting Muslim communities read this:   

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0196VK3L4/

Wahhabism has taken hold in many towns and they do not compromise or negotiate. Riots can happen at the snap of an imams finger.
 
He's a bit of a thug, innit? {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Jan 19, 2016 - 12:17pm

Cameron doesn't have the resolve to to follow through on his promise. It would be like kicking a hornets nest and the government are cowards.

If you want a true picture of just how much the UK government is terrified of upsetting Muslim communities read this:   

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0196VK3L4/

Wahhabism has taken hold in many towns and they do not compromise or negotiate. Riots can happen at the snap of an imams finger.
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Posted: Jan 19, 2016 - 8:03am

 rotekz wrote:
Observe the events in Europe that are rapidly leading to a major crisis. Eastern Europe is in open rebellion against the EU over Islamic migrant quotas. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-alarm-insight-idUSKCN0UW107?utm_source=twitter


Is this how "Europe" ends?

The Germans, founders and funders of the postwar union, shut their borders to refugees in a bid for political survival by the chancellor who let in a million migrants. And then — why not? — they decide to revive the Deutschmark while they're at it.

That is not the fantasy of diehard Eurosceptics but a real fear articulated at the highest levels in Berlin and Brussels.

Chancellor Angela Merkel, her ratings hit by crimes blamed on asylum seekers at New Year parties in Cologne, and EU chief executive Jean-Claude Juncker both said as much last week.

Juncker echoed Merkel in warning that the central economic achievements of the common market and the euro are at risk from incoherent, nationalistic reactions to migration and other crises. He renewed warnings that Europe is on its "last chance", even if he still hoped it was not "at the beginning of the end".

Merkel, facing trouble among her conservative supporters as much as from opponents, called Europe "vulnerable" and the fate of the euro "directly linked" to resolving the migration crisis — highlighting the risk of at the very least serious economic turbulence if not a formal dismantling of EU institutions.



 
Its all about currency now.  Greece screwed the pooch back when they entered the EU by cooking their books, hiding all the debt that wrecked the country and left Germany holding the bag when the chickens came home to roost.  Thank who ever it was in the UK who decided to keep the pound.

I've followed FOREX ever since I learned about 10 years ago or so that Daimler - Benz made over 2 times as much money trading currency than they did building vehicles.  They expect to earn over €1 billion just from FOREX in 2015.  I still believe the real reason for the Iraq invasion was to stop the creation of a new oil borsch by Hussein and keep the dollar the as the petrocurrency.

I really don't know the general leanings of your parties over there to talk intelligently about what policies belong to what party.  Over here, the only one talking about currency is Trump.  He's the only one who can speak knowingly about it off the top of his head of all our current and any future candidates for that matter this go round.  He gets that the TPP is a really bad deal.  He gets corporate inversion.  

Currency manipulation is how countries get around tariffs and competition for exports.  We are in a race to the bottom.  To see who can make their currency the most worthless without collapsing their domestic economy.  That's far enough into the weeds for now.

OBTW ... I hear that Cameron wants to deport people who won't learn English.  The nerve, expecting English to be spoken in England ...  What is the world coming to ?
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Posted: Jan 19, 2016 - 3:25am

Observe the events in Europe that are rapidly leading to a major crisis. Eastern Europe is in open rebellion against the EU over Islamic migrant quotas. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-alarm-insight-idUSKCN0UW107?utm_source=twitter


Is this how "Europe" ends?

The Germans, founders and funders of the postwar union, shut their borders to refugees in a bid for political survival by the chancellor who let in a million migrants. And then — why not? — they decide to revive the Deutschmark while they're at it.

That is not the fantasy of diehard Eurosceptics but a real fear articulated at the highest levels in Berlin and Brussels.

Chancellor Angela Merkel, her ratings hit by crimes blamed on asylum seekers at New Year parties in Cologne, and EU chief executive Jean-Claude Juncker both said as much last week.

Juncker echoed Merkel in warning that the central economic achievements of the common market and the euro are at risk from incoherent, nationalistic reactions to migration and other crises. He renewed warnings that Europe is on its "last chance", even if he still hoped it was not "at the beginning of the end".

Merkel, facing trouble among her conservative supporters as much as from opponents, called Europe "vulnerable" and the fate of the euro "directly linked" to resolving the migration crisis — highlighting the risk of at the very least serious economic turbulence if not a formal dismantling of EU institutions.




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