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kurtster

Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:  
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Nov 12, 2019 - 6:37pm |
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Isabeau wrote: haresfur wrote: kurtster wrote:I'm surprised no one has jumped on your mention of natural causes for changing climate patterns. I've mentioned all the things that you have more than a couple of times and I immediately get responses calling me a denier. Part of why I let this sit for awhile. Earth’s Magnetic Field Shifts, Forcing Airport Runway ChangeAnd the fields are also dramatically weakening which allows much more radiation to reach deeper into our atmosphere and the surface. The shift in the earth's magnetic field has nothing to do with global warming. Nor does any change in its field strength. There is no physical mechanism where the level of change would cause the level of climate effect. And if it did, it would be in addition to the anthropogenic change. Burning hydrocarbons releases CO2. The increase in CO2 in the atmosphere has been measured for decades and is consistent with the amount of CO2 released from burning. CO2 has a known, measured effect on trapping solar radiation and leads to an increase in temperature consistent with theory. Until, you come up with a mechanism that would explain how CO2 could not be causing global warming, you are just blowing smoke out your butt. Agreed on all points. However, shifting poles DO affect the jet stream, wind patterns and the El Nino conditions. That is NOT to say that has anything to do with CO2 buildup, which is definitely facilitated by humankind. I'm merely suggesting that a polar shift, in addition to climate change, has exacerbated the issue. And to what extent the changes of the earth's magnetic field have exacerbated the changes we are observing.And that is what is wrong with the whole debate. No one is allowed to say that there may be other natural occurring affects contributing to Climate Change and Global Warming. It is only CO² that is allowed to be discussed. Climate Change and Global Warming are two separate issues, imo. One does not necessarily explain the other.
I have never argued that the global climate is not changing just what may be the causes; causes other than CO². Instead of acknowledging that there may be some natural causes involved, I promptly get canceled as a denier. So who is denying science here ?
Anyway, thanks for having the courage to bring this up.
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Isabeau

Location: sou' tex Gender:  
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Nov 11, 2019 - 6:46am |
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haresfur wrote:
The shift in the earth's magnetic field has nothing to do with global warming. Nor does any change in its field strength. There is no physical mechanism where the level of change would cause the level of climate effect. And if it did, it would be in addition to the anthropogenic change.
Burning hydrocarbons releases CO2. The increase in CO2 in the atmosphere has been measured for decades and is consistent with the amount of CO2 released from burning. CO2 has a known, measured effect on trapping solar radiation and leads to an increase in temperature consistent with theory. Until, you come up with a mechanism that would explain how CO2 could not be causing global warming, you are just blowing smoke out your butt.
Agreed on all points. However, shifting poles DO affect the jet stream, wind patternsand the El Nino conditions. That is NOT to say that has anything to do with CO2 buildup, which is definitely facilitated by humankind. I'm merely suggesting that a polar shift, in addition to climate change, has exacerbated the issue.
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whatshisname

Location: West OZ Gender:  
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Nov 11, 2019 - 4:01am |
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Crazily around the world communities still remain divided, usually along political lines, for or against the climate change discussion .Meanwhile the stats are building up at an alarming rate. These near on daily accounts of radical weather variations are the alarm bells many wish to ignore. The big hammer hit will come once the insurance industry (aka the worlds financial system) turns to dust after the mother of all fires/hurricanes/floods takes out much of somewhere like Europe or North America. Then in the ensuing panic, are we going see the wheels fall off boys and girls.
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haresfur

Location: The Golden Triangle Gender:  
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Nov 10, 2019 - 6:19pm |
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In NSW, our worst fire years were almost always during an El Nino event, and major property losses generally occurred from late November to February. Based on more than a century of weather observations our official fire danger season is legislated from October 1 to March 31. During the 2000s though, major fires have regularly started in August and September, and sometimes go through to April. The October 2013 fires that destroyed more than 200 homes were the earliest large-loss fires in NSW history â again, not during an El Nino. This year, by the beginning of November, we had already lost about as many homes as during the disastrous 2001-2002 bushfire season. Weâve now eclipsed 1994 fire losses.
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haresfur

Location: The Golden Triangle Gender:  
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Nov 10, 2019 - 1:19pm |
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kurtster wrote:I'm surprised no one has jumped on your mention of natural causes for changing climate patterns. I've mentioned all the things that you have more than a couple of times and I immediately get responses calling me a denier. Part of why I let this sit for awhile. Earthâs Magnetic Field Shifts, Forcing Airport Runway ChangeAnd the fields are also dramatically weakening which allows much more radiation to reach deeper into our atmosphere and the surface. The shift in the earth's magnetic field has nothing to do with global warming. Nor does any change in its field strength. There is no physical mechanism where the level of change would cause the level of climate effect. And if it did, it would be in addition to the anthropogenic change. Burning hydrocarbons releases CO2. The increase in CO2 in the atmosphere has been measured for decades and is consistent with the amount of CO2 released from burning. CO2 has a known, measured effect on trapping solar radiation and leads to an increase in temperature consistent with theory. Until, you come up with a mechanism that would explain how CO2 could not be causing global warming, you are just blowing smoke out your butt.
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R_P

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Nov 10, 2019 - 1:14pm |
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Lazy8 wrote:
The ecosystem adjusts to find a new equilibrium if you let it.
Except when it does not.
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Lazy8

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:  
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Nov 10, 2019 - 10:24am |
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westslope wrote:
Apologies for the feral pig invasion from Canada's prairie provinces. I suppose our winters are insufficiently cold. Europe is much farther advanced in the feral pig invasion and it is not pretty. Time to offer a bounty to qualified, licensed hunters? Likely only poison and introduced diseases will eradicate these pests. The cuteness factor will render radical solutions politically impossible.
Invasive species generally can't be eradicated, they can only be controlled. The ecosystem adjusts to find a new equilibrium if you let it. You don't have to pay hunters, they'll pay you. And feral hogs are only cute until they tear up your crops.
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SeriousLee

Location: Dans l'milieu d'deux milles livres 
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Nov 10, 2019 - 7:57am |
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Isabeau wrote: kurtster wrote: Our carbon footprint isn't helping, but thanks for the wind speed comments and acknowledging the shifting magnetic poles. People are afraid of acknowledging that would dilute the support of dealing with climate change. It doesn't have to be one or the other. The actual seasons of the year have changed here in south texas, normally, our 'fall' doesn't come until near Christmas, but its already begun. Earlier snows in some parts, even some down here, which is a rarity. The sun is setting in a different place than it did a decade ago. We can still pick up litter, recycle and drive less, but lets acknowledge other factors.  I've been saying that for about 10 years up here in Nova Scotia. It's like they shifted by almost a month. Except here, seasons are starting later than usual, whereas you say they are starting about 1 month earlier where you are. Hmmm...
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Isabeau

Location: sou' tex Gender:  
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Nov 10, 2019 - 7:49am |
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kurtster wrote: Our carbon footprint isn't helping, but thanks for the wind speed comments and acknowledging the shifting magnetic poles. People are afraid of acknowledging that would dilute the support of dealing with climate change. It doesn't have to be one or the other. The actual seasons of the year have changed here in south texas, normally, our 'fall' doesn't come until near Christmas, but its already begun. Earlier snows in some parts, even some down here, which is a rarity. The sun is setting in a different place than it did a decade ago. We can still pick up litter, recycle and drive less, but lets acknowledge other factors.
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kurtster

Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:  
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Nov 9, 2019 - 9:02pm |
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Isabeau wrote: As I understand it, PG&E has placed greed above innovation and upgrades to their infrastructure for decades. Agreed on the Santa Ana's, but they said that winds of 80 - 100 mph are stronger and last longer than before. Personally, I don't believe climate change is creating all of the current disasters. There is evidence that the magnetic poles have tilted somewhat from a decade ago - Inuit people are saying the sun and the stars are different, the wind comes from another direction, snow drifts have changed and the sun sets in a different place. Just where I live the sun seems strangely lower on the horizon than previous years. An earth tilt + climate change + greed trumping regulation = Environmental and Economic disasters.
I guess, like ufo's and aliens, no one wants to bring up polar shifts. This planet does wobble ... and its not because they are selling Columbian coffee on one side. I'm surprised no one has jumped on your mention of natural causes for changing climate patterns. I've mentioned all the things that you have more than a couple of times and I immediately get responses calling me a denier. Part of why I let this sit for awhile. Earth’s Magnetic Field Shifts, Forcing Airport Runway ChangeAnd the fields are also dramatically weakening which allows much more radiation to reach deeper into our atmosphere and the surface. I do agree with your thoughts, all of them except that these stronger winds are something new. Nope same as they always were. Just more people in harms way. 1953 Tilden Park Fire. The spectacular blaze started shortly before 3 PM on Thursday October 22 at the Park’s Mineral Springs Area, seriously burned one park firefighter, and for a time threatened a section of Berkeley as it swept out of control at incredible speed until it was stopped near Big Springs Camp in the park. Gale-like winds snapped a tree limb across high tension wires to set off this 800-acre fire that was pushed by gusts of winds that at time hit 90 miles an hour. It destroyed some 5,000 evergreens, valued at $40 apiece, momentarily trapped several Berkeley firemen and University of California students, and for a time threatened to head for the city by jumping to thick forests of eucalyptus trees on the parks’ western hills. Anxious residents, remembering the disastrous 1923 Berkeley fire 30 years ago, swamped newspaper, police and fire switchboards with inquiries. I was raised with a heightened awareness of the local fire dangers. Our last residence in Berkeley was in the burn pattern of the 1923 fire, near the intersection of Cragmont and Shasta Roads. My Dad spoke frequently of The Wildcat Canyon Fire (1923) and used to do controlled burns around our house.
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westslope

Location: BC sage brush steppe 
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Nov 2, 2019 - 9:19am |
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Lazy8 wrote: In 1979, a girlfriend from Scottsdale, Az and I did two long backpack trips through the High Atlas mountains in Morocco. I have Kodak slides of goats climbing 15 to almost 20 feet up trees in order to browse. The area was beautiful but the overgrazing was evident. It felt like the Sahara Desert was creeping westward over the Atlas mountains. This is classic Tragedy of the commons. Berber mountain folk would work in France, save a lot of money, return home and buy livestock, mostly goats, sometimes sheep. Speaking of Nigeria which is mentioned in the article. One of the bigger shocks I experienced while overlanding Africa, was the contrast between sparsely populated Niger and heavily, densely populated NE Nigeria. The oil-driven Resource Curse gifted Nigeria out-of-control population growth and is likely a significant driver of violent conflict. Call it Neo-Malthusian. Apologies for the feral pig invasion from Canada's prairie provinces. I suppose our winters are insufficiently cold. Europe is much farther advanced in the feral pig invasion and it is not pretty. Time to offer a bounty to qualified, licensed hunters? Likely only poison and introduced diseases will eradicate these pests. The cuteness factor will render radical solutions politically impossible.
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Isabeau

Location: sou' tex Gender:  
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Nov 2, 2019 - 7:39am |
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kurtster wrote:As I understand it, PG&E has placed greed above innovation and upgrades to their infrastructure for decades. Agreed on the Santa Ana's, but they said that winds of 80 - 100 mph are stronger and last longer than before. Personally, I don't believe climate change is creating all of the current disasters. There is evidence that the magnetic poles have tilted somewhat from a decade ago - Inuit people are saying the sun and the stars are different, the wind comes from another direction, snow drifts have changed and the sun sets in a different place. Just where I live the sun seems strangely lower on the horizon than previous years. An earth tilt + climate change + greed trumping regulation = Environmental and Economic disasters. I guess, like ufo's and aliens, no one wants to bring up polar shifts. This planet does wobble ... and its not because they are selling Columbian coffee on one side.
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kurtster

Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:  
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Nov 2, 2019 - 4:36am |
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Isabeau wrote: haresfur wrote: ScottFromWyoming wrote: miamizsun wrote: I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em. It's a challenge to keep up with the needed fuel suppression burns. With climate change, the planned burn season is pretty much continuous with the unplanned burn season here. That, and people need to accept the risk of a burn getting out of control. And boy, there is nothing like having your house burn to turn someone anti-government. Feral goats are a pain. Agreed, CA's topography is difficult for this. Still ... the winds are unprecedented AND the utility did neglect it's infrastructure. Feral goats and pigs are considered Apocalypse bbq in these parts. Touch my garden and they become taco filling. PG&E has been burning down and blowing up cities and killing people for nearly 100 years going back to the Berkeley Fire in the 20's. Monday, September 17, 1923 began like any other day. In her last year at UC Berkeley, Ursula Cheshire likely had breakfast with her sorority sisters at Zeta Tau Alpha house at 1700 Euclid Avenue before walking to classes on campus. But little did she know she would never step foot inside that house again. As the hours passed, the day grew hot and windy, with low humidity. At noon-time, about three miles north of Berkeley, a gale blew down a high-voltage wire in Wildcat Canyon, starting a grass fire that steadily spread to a grove of eucalyptus trees. They have had 100 years to figure this out. In a place that is one of the most regulated in the world. In an economy that ranks either 5 or 6 in the world as an independent entity. There is no excuse for this, period. Many other places have similar geographic conditions to PG&E and they don't don't start fires with their transmission lines when the wind blows. Go ahead and blame global warming for all the fires. But even with renewable electric energy sources, you still have the same power grid to transmit the renewable energy. PG&E's power grid will start fires regardless of where the power comes from. Then you get into Sacramento and the people charged with regulating enabling PG&E. These winds are nothing new. You can tell how long someone has been in California by the names they use to call the winds. The older residents call them the Diablo Winds or the Santana's. The more recent call them the Santa Ana's. Whatever you call them, they have been around forever and you would think that someone would have designed a power grid to be safe when these winds blow. This is the 21st Century and the smartest, brightest and richest people in the world can be found in the Deep Blue State of California.
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miamizsun

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP) Gender:  
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Nov 1, 2019 - 4:30am |
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Lazy8 wrote: florida has an issue with sus scrofa too (band name) our turnpike cuts through some fairly rural areas i've seen them tooling around the right of way had both domesticated but only wild hog from an individual's hunt free range swine is delicious farmers are trapping them and selling them to a wild meat business
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Lazy8

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:  
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haresfur

Location: The Golden Triangle Gender:  
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Oct 31, 2019 - 4:45pm |
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Isabeau wrote: haresfur wrote: ScottFromWyoming wrote: miamizsun wrote: I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em. It's a challenge to keep up with the needed fuel suppression burns. With climate change, the planned burn season is pretty much continuous with the unplanned burn season here. That, and people need to accept the risk of a burn getting out of control. And boy, there is nothing like having your house burn to turn someone anti-government. Feral goats are a pain. Agreed, CA's topography is difficult for this. Still ... the winds are unprecedented AND the utility did neglect it's infrastructure. Feral goats and pigs are considered Apocalypse bbq in these parts. Touch my garden and they become taco filling. The aboriginal people in Australia have been setting planned burns for somewhere around 60,000 years. The fire management is starting to learn from them about how to set burns to improve the ecosystem as well as reduce fuel loads. We are lucky where I live that the winters are cool and wet, so they are a good time to burn. I know people who hunt feral pigs but I don't think they trust the meat enough to eat them. Goat tacos sound good.
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Isabeau

Location: sou' tex Gender:  
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Oct 31, 2019 - 4:21pm |
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haresfur wrote: ScottFromWyoming wrote: miamizsun wrote: I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em. It's a challenge to keep up with the needed fuel suppression burns. With climate change, the planned burn season is pretty much continuous with the unplanned burn season here. That, and people need to accept the risk of a burn getting out of control. And boy, there is nothing like having your house burn to turn someone anti-government. Feral goats are a pain. Agreed, CA's topography is difficult for this. Still ... the winds are unprecedented AND the utility did neglect it's infrastructure. Feral goats and pigs are considered Apocalypse bbq in these parts. Touch my garden and they become taco filling.
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haresfur

Location: The Golden Triangle Gender:  
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Oct 31, 2019 - 2:48pm |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: miamizsun wrote: Florida had over 2 million acres of prescribed (aka controlled) burns in 2017 and California had 87,000 acres of controlled burns in 2018.Georgia has 1.25 million acres of controlled burns and Alabama had 944,000 acres of controlled burns. California had 1.9 million acres of forests burned from wildfires in 2018 against the 87,000 acres burned in controlled fires. UC Berkeley fire ecologist Brandon Collins brought me here to show me the consequence of decades of fire suppression combined with climate change. This forest would usually burn nine times over the course of 100 years, but no fire had blazed here since at least 1908. âWithout fire, youâre going to have these dense stands no matter what,â Collins says. In 2014, the King Fire hit this unnaturally overgrown forest, leaping into the canopy and racing across a vast landscape. Limited patches of high-intensity fire would be natural in these forests. But in 47 percent of the 97,717 acres burned in the King Fire, the blaze was so hot that it killed nearly all of the trees. About 18.6 million trees died in 2018, mainly the result of dehydration and beetle infestation, according to new estimates from the U.S. Forest Service. That pushes the total number of dead since 2010, shortly before the five-year drought began, to 147 million. California needs to burn 2-5 million acres a year. This should be controlled burns instead of wildfires. This level of burning needs to be near the historic levels. Almost the entire 33 million acres of forests needs to be burned every 10-20 years. More sensitive areas near populations need to be thinned and managed without fire.
I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em. It's a challenge to keep up with the needed fuel suppression burns. With climate change, the planned burn season is pretty much continuous with the unplanned burn season here. That, and people need to accept the risk of a burn getting out of control. And boy, there is nothing like having your house burn to turn someone anti-government. Feral goats are a pain.
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miamizsun

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP) Gender:  
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Oct 31, 2019 - 2:07pm |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote:I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em. i've said that too as a child we would tie them to fence rows they cleaned them like machines never underestimate a goat
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ScottFromWyoming

Location: Powell Gender:  
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Oct 31, 2019 - 1:59pm |
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miamizsun wrote: Florida had over 2 million acres of prescribed (aka controlled) burns in 2017 and California had 87,000 acres of controlled burns in 2018.Georgia has 1.25 million acres of controlled burns and Alabama had 944,000 acres of controlled burns. California had 1.9 million acres of forests burned from wildfires in 2018 against the 87,000 acres burned in controlled fires. UC Berkeley fire ecologist Brandon Collins brought me here to show me the consequence of decades of fire suppression combined with climate change. This forest would usually burn nine times over the course of 100 years, but no fire had blazed here since at least 1908. âWithout fire, youâre going to have these dense stands no matter what,â Collins says. In 2014, the King Fire hit this unnaturally overgrown forest, leaping into the canopy and racing across a vast landscape. Limited patches of high-intensity fire would be natural in these forests. But in 47 percent of the 97,717 acres burned in the King Fire, the blaze was so hot that it killed nearly all of the trees. About 18.6 million trees died in 2018, mainly the result of dehydration and beetle infestation, according to new estimates from the U.S. Forest Service. That pushes the total number of dead since 2010, shortly before the five-year drought began, to 147 million. California needs to burn 2-5 million acres a year. This should be controlled burns instead of wildfires. This level of burning needs to be near the historic levels. Almost the entire 33 million acres of forests needs to be burned every 10-20 years. More sensitive areas near populations need to be thinned and managed without fire.
I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em.
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