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Lazy8

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Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana
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Posted: Oct 18, 2008 - 3:12pm

 exotraxx wrote:

The head of the Montana Republican Party resigns after an embarrassing voter suppression scandal:

GOP Busted for Voter Suppression 

I warned my daughter (who just moved and lives in one of those Democratic enclaves) to go re-register. Of course it was a transparent attempt to disqualify voters hostile to the GOP.

As political dirty tricks in Montana go the Republicans are, historically speaking, still playing catch-up. Our political history is...colorful.

bokey

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Posted: Oct 18, 2008 - 8:32am

There is nothing I can say about the insanity and danger of electronic voting that I haven't already(other than  a high school kid could rig an  election if he had the right access )Although I'll never know, I have zero faith that my vote will count with 100% certainty. Stuff like this reinforces that bad feeling. The only reason we are hearing about is they have no way  to cover up registered voters being rejected on election day.

 That's OK- by the 2012 election people will probably be too busy fighting over food to  care. And with all the violence and turmoil the "Boys in Black Suburbans"  can just pull anyone  who complains out of line and send them to a FEMA camp to disapear.

 

By Mary Pat Flaherty
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 18, 2008; Page A01
"Thousands of voters across the country must reestablish their eligibility in the next three weeks in order for their votes to count on Nov. 4, a result of new state registration systems that are incorrectly rejecting them. "

  Government in action

miamizsun

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Posted: Oct 18, 2008 - 7:10am

fortunately for me, i wasn't affected by this because my neighbor jay, started his own pizza shop with his friend nox, so i know the menu. but, i do see where this could be a huge problem, because.

 
manbirdexperiment wrote:


PIZZA MENU FRAUD

(Reuters) Grand Rapids, Oct.15, 2008 — A Grand Rapids pizza restaurant recently hired some folks at minimum wage to distribute pizza menus by placing the menus on car windows in the downtown area. Instead of placing each flyer on a car, they simply dumped several thousand of them in a dumpster - but collected their pay at the end of the day. The fraud came to light when an employee of the pizza establishment which hired the men didn't see any flyers on cars in the area. He checked local trash receptacles and eventually found most of the missing flyers. Pizza fraud of this scale has never been seen before and it was said to "threaten the very foundation of the restaurant industry", said an unidentified FBI spokesperson.


 


Servo

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Posted: Oct 18, 2008 - 6:58am

 samiyam wrote:
Come on... fellah, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what the Guardian Newspaper is.  Only one of the big five in the UK. 
 
So you're saying that the only reasonable assumption that I should have jumped to, as an American, on the topic of an American election, and ignoring literally dozens of American newspapers called "Guardian", is some British publication?  I'm supposed to be "rolleyes"-worthy because of that?!?!?  Put down the crack pipe, fella. {#Rolleyes} {#Stupid} {#Rolleyes}

The only error in my post was that I failed to put the (", ") quotation marks around the quote from the Guardian.  Yes... it was a direct quote... gee,   did I ever say it was my writing?

Well you did leave the quotes out.  You admitted it.  So yes, you did "say it was (your) writing"!  Do you think that finally admitting your error somehow makes you not responsible for it? {#Rolleyes} {#Rolleyes} {#Rolleyes}

I did put the source there for all to see.  What do I have to do, grab you by the privates and LEAD you to the online Guardian Newspaper?

Contrary to your stated beliefs in another topic and here, violence is not the answer to everything.  (Don't even THINK of taking that as a sign of weakness on my part!)

I will now correct you on your claim:  You cited a source, and a mighty vague one at that, but not the source that you're just now changing your story to.

What's ironic here is that, despite your worst intentions, that you unwittingly passed along some good information! {#Lol}

Needless to say, whatever it is that you're looking down your nose at, it's not me...


samiyam

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Posted: Oct 18, 2008 - 1:20am

 Servo wrote:

Thanks.  I'm noting that your website is not named, or registered to any entity called "Guardian Newspaper".  Therefore it's only logical to conclude that the "Guardian Newspaper" that samiyam was referring to is not us.xtrait.com.

Care to try again, Alchemist?

 
Come on... fellah, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what the Guardian Newspaper is.  Only one of the big five in the UK. 

The only error in my post was that I failed to put the (", ") quotation marks around the quote from the Guardian.  Yes... it was a direct quote... gee,   did I ever say it was my writing?

I did put the source there for all to see.  What do I have to do, grab you by the privates and LEAD you to the online Guardian Newspaper?

As soon as I figure out how to post links better I'll be kinder to your limited imagination.  Sheesh!

jadewahoo

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Posted: Oct 18, 2008 - 12:36am

 Servo wrote:
I will not fault your interpretation.  However, when I read learned papers, I am accustomed to seeing a list of sources listed at the end of the written work.  As is the custom, these sources are listed at the end of an original work, showing what sources were used while researching the original work above, and as proof that the author didn't just make it all up.  It is also customary to indicate verbatim quotations by enclosing the quoted parts in...quotation marks.  I don't recall personally having any problem with making quotation marks work using the current editor.  I'll grant you that it has become nearly impossible to use square brackets, as is customary for use with footnotes.  But seeing as there was only a single source...

 
Servo, you crack me up! Whew-hooooo! Hell, I am a simple guy sitting here in the canyonlands of Arizona and even I knew that samiyam was referring to the Guardian Newspaper out of Britain!

As to 'learned papers'... wake up fool! This is the internet. Ya know, the thing Gore invented about ten years ago? Ya gotta be kinda quick on your toes in here, boss. You want erudite and proper ibids, well, hell, go read a book.

Sometimes I do wonder... Are you just playing the part of the arrogant, ignorant, pompous asshole? Or is that really the person you have to look at in the mirror every day? Yeah, I mean, at first you got a lot of folk here a little irritated with your insulting of fellow RPeeps, then we (yeah, that is plural, meaning 'thems of us who have publically called you on your asshatness', as well as those who haven't bothered to step to the low-life level of your insipid remarks to such fine folk as samiyam and many others you have denigrated because they didn't abide by your posting 'rules', the ones who are here to have a conversation... hell, even a brawl) find ourselves snickering at the inanity of your stuffed shirt pomposities. Do you realize that you have made of yourself the penultimate Local Idiot? Rude, demeaning and insolent, you make one lust for the simple days of Beaker or the kindly discourse of a Zipper.

I, for one, am so fucking tired of having to scroll, let alone slog, through your horseshit. It is so very B-O-R-I-N-G. Yes, Servo... you are nothing more than a bore. To incriminate samiyam as a fucking plagarist? You, in all your high-falutin' intelligensia fatuousness, couldn't even figure out that he was referring to the Guardian Newspaper? What did you think he meant? The Guardian Angels? Oh, ok, we all make blunders. Some of us, however, have a quality of character called 'humility'. We fess up, have a good laugh at ourselves, then move on. But no, you have incessantly used up bandwidth here at RP to define just how right you are, and how everyone else is somehow in a conspiracy to cover for  samiyam, instead of you simply saying "Ooops. Sorry samiyam. My mistake. I musta had too much brown sugar on my pablum this morning."

Sevo, you can reply or not, siting verse and chapter, with footnotes and quotation marks all in place, stating just how horribly plebian I am.... I really dont give a fuck.

In the meantime... get a real life, dude.
==============
All the rest of you RPeeps... 'scuse me, I just had a need to get that off my chest. Kinda like waking up at 3 am and having to piss. It wasn't very PC of me, not too kindly, either, and not the high road that Mugro would have me take. I make no excuses. I own it. Shoot me down if you wish. Its ok. But only if you haven't, in the secrecy of your head, wanted to say the same thing to our prolifigate servo. 

Servo

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Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 10:49pm

 rexi wrote:
The Guardian article as properly linked on Exo's page, if you had cared to look.
 
You and others are very insistent about putting words in samiyam's mouth.  Why?


Manbird

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Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 10:09pm



PIZZA MENU FRAUD

(Reuters) Grand Rapids, Oct.15, 2008 — A Grand Rapids pizza restaurant recently hired some folks at minimum wage to distribute pizza menus by placing the menus on car windows in the downtown area. Instead of placing each flyer on a car, they simply dumped several thousand of them in a dumpster - but collected their pay at the end of the day. The fraud came to light when an employee of the pizza establishment which hired the men didn't see any flyers on cars in the area. He checked local trash receptacles and eventually found most of the missing flyers. Pizza fraud of this scale has never been seen before and it was said to "threaten the very foundation of the restaurant industry", said an unidentified FBI spokesperson.

Alt-Ctrl-Tom

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Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 1:30pm

 owld_skipper wrote:
The hullabaloo about ACORN is another attempt by the GOP/McCain campaign to make Obama, who they try to link to ACRON, look bad in the eyes of the voters.

A lot of people getting their undies in a knot about nothing.




Voter-Fraud Fraud
The idea that Democrats try to win elections by arranging for hordes of nonexistent people with improbable names to vote for them has long been a favorite theme of Rove-era Republicans. Now it’s become a desperate obsession.

Consider today’s fund-raising e-mail from Robert M. (Mike) Duncan, chairman of the Republican National Committee. Some snippets:

Every election, it’s the same old song and dance from the Democrats and their liberal allies when it comes to donor and vote fraud.

They will soon be trying to pad their totals at ballot boxes across the country with votes from voters that do not exist. From Ohio and Florida to Wisconsin and Nevada, there are reports of fraudulent voter registration forms being submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a liberal group that is dedicating its resources to electing the Obama-Biden Democrats.

The e-mail climaxes with this pledge, which one hopes is delivered with a Sarah Palin wink: “We will not stand for the stealing of the election—the tainting of our democracy—by those who wish to subvert the rule of law.”

ACORN has become the 24/7 story on Fox News, too, on account of reports that it has submitted several thousand phony registration forms to local boards of elections. These reports appear to be true. Nevertheless, the “scandal,” as Fox calls it, is itself on its face as phony as Mickey Mouse’s social security number.

During this election cycle, the Times reported today, ACORN has deployed thirteen thousand mostly paid workers, who have registered 1.3 million new voters. One or two per cent of these workers turned in sheaves of forms that they filled out themselves with fake names and bogus addresses, and, even though at least a hundred of these workers have already been fired, the forged forms have been submitted to election boards.

Sounds suspicious—unless you know that groups like ACORN are required by law to submit them, even if they’re obvious fakes. This is to prevent funny business, such as trashing forms that look like they might be Republican (or Democratic, as the case may be).

Sounds suspicious—unless you know that ACORN normally sorts through forms, flags those that look fishy, and submits the fishy ones in a separate pile for the convenience of election officials.

Sounds suspicious—until you reflect that the motivation of the misbehaving registration workers is almost always to look like they’ve been doing more work than they really have, and that the victim of the “fraud” is actually the organization they’re working for.

Sounds suspicious—unless you know that even if one of these fake forms results in a nonexistent person actually being registered, now under the Help America Vote Act of 2002, “any voter who has not previously voted in a federal election” must provide identification in order to actually cast a ballot. This will make it tough for Mickey Mouse, even if registered, to vote, no matter how big, round, or black his ears. Likewise, members of the Duck family (Donald, Daisy, Huey, Dewey, and Louie) who turn up at the polling place will have a hard time getting into the voting booth. (Uncle Scrooge might be able to bribe his way in, but he’s voting Republican anyway.)

Sounds suspicious—unless you know that despite all the hysteria, from 2002 to 2005, only twenty people in the entire United States of America were found guilty of voting while ineligible and only five of voting more than once.

By contrast, consider the lede on this story, published a week ago today:

Tens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law, according to a review of state records and Social Security data by The New York Times.
And take it from Sarah Palin: the Times is “hardly ever wrong.”

Perpetuate hysteria about a non-issue, and distract from an actual issue.  Sad, pathetic and disgraceful.

rexi

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Location: Zurich, Switzerland


Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 4:01am

 Servo wrote:

Thanks.  I'm noting that your website is not named, or registered to any entity called "Guardian Newspaper".  Therefore it's only logical to conclude that the "Guardian Newspaper" that samiyam was referring to is not us.xtrait.com.

Care to try again, Alchemist?
 
The Guardian article as properly linked on Exo's page, if you had cared to look.

Servo

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Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 2:15am

 exotraxx wrote:
Here's the link to...my website...
 
Thanks.  I'm noting that your website is not named, or registered to any entity called "Guardian Newspaper".  Therefore it's only logical to conclude that the "Guardian Newspaper" that samiyam was referring to is not us.xtrait.com.

Care to try again, Alchemist?


Servo

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Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 1:06am

 Alchemist wrote:
I recognized samiam's text word for word from exotraxx's website, then did my due diligence to independently verify the source and note their proudly stated bias.
 
Could you please post the URL to exotraxx's website, so I can see for myself?

FYI, Declaring one's self to be "liberal" does not make everything that that person says untrue by default.

Is Acorn trying to sway the election?  Of course, by targeting voters who are likely to vote democratic.  Are they resorting to fraud at such a level that it will make any difference in the outcome?...

Please provide proof of your allegation of partisanship on ACORN's part.  Please provide proof of your allegation of fraud.


Servo

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Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 12:58am

 Alpine wrote:
ACORN does not need to exist.  People who have half a brain and want to participate in the election they know where and how to register.
 
"Affordable health care does not need to exist.  People can just go to a hospital."
— A local GOP member running for Congress in Chicago (paraphrased)

{#Rolleyes}


Servo

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Posted: Oct 17, 2008 - 12:52am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
What crap am I peddling? What mudslinging?
 
My bad.  I was referring to Alchemist's mudslinging and crap.  Sorry 'bout that.  Wrong addressee.

Granted, Samiyam's post had some problems, mainly in that it's difficult to create a quoted passage in this new text editor. It appears he either tried to link to the source of the article, unsuccessfully, or simply gave up and credited the source with the words "Source: Guardian Newspaper" in blue text. It was sufficient for me and others (evidently) to know that Samiyam didn't author the post himself.

I will not fault your interpretation.  However, when I read learned papers, I am accustomed to seeing a list of sources listed at the end of the written work.  As is the custom, these sources are listed at the end of an original work, showing what sources were used while researching the original work above, and as proof that the author didn't just make it all up.  It is also customary to indicate verbatim quotations by enclosing the quoted parts in...quotation marks.  I don't recall personally having any problem with making quotation marks work using the current editor.  I'll grant you that it has become nearly impossible to use square brackets, as is customary for use with footnotes.  But seeing as there was only a single source...

A quick Google found the source easily enough, as linked in my previous post. That you did not catch these hints does not reflect poorly on you, however your response to being told that it was a cut-and-paste was your typical over-the-top bombast when a reasonable person might have simply said, "Ah, maybe so."

I must disagree with you here.

I took samiyam's post at face value, and did no "reading between the lines".  As it was presented, his post contained all of the elements of a well-written opinion.  It is factual, as evidenced by my own independent research, that agreed 100% with the posted text.  It is topical, addressing the subject matter, and not straying into personal attacks or non sequiturs.  And finally it cited a research source, using standard notation, no less!

If samiyam did knowingly plagiarize the work (something that has yet to be proved, BTW), I still stand by what I wrote: "The post above is a shining example of a well made post.  It's logical, presents a reasonable argument, without a single shred of bias, deceit or any other underhanded tactics."  That is, with the notable exception of the "deceit" part, of course. {#Frown}  But only as it applies to the alleged plagiarism, and not to the statement itself.  Regardless of the true author, those words ring true!

Precisely how you arrived at "Guardian.co.uk" (clearly a website) from samiyam's "Source: Guardian Newspaper" (emphasis mine) is something that you have not explained clearly.  More to the point, IMHO the culture here that tends to accept anything and everything that appears on the Internet as Gospel, whilst acting utterly ignorant of written works in bound books, printed periodicals, professional journals and other sources of the most authoritative information available, sources that are often not available to everybody, for free, over the Internet, gives me pause (and with damn good reason!) to wonder whether I'm dealing with the middle-aged, well-educated professionals that most RP Forum participants present themselves to be, or a bunch of ignorant teenagers.

When it comes to Alchemist's circumstantial ad hominem attack, 'This is just cut and paste from commentary in a publication which calls itself "The world's leading liberal voice". Hardly unbiased.', the fallacy of that argument is evident.  It is a lame (but all too common here) attempt to shoot the messenger, just because the messenger and/or message doesn't suit Alchemist's own agenda.  It is wrong, plain and simple.

If you want to call me "bombastic" for calling a spade a spade, that is your prerogative.  But it is still a spade!

Why are so many of you so dead-set on denying the truth that is staring you right in the face?


samiyam

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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 11:44pm

 Alchemist wrote:

I recognized samiam's text word for word from exotraxx's website, then did my due diligence to independently verify the source and note their proudly stated bias.  

Is Acorn trying to sway the election?  Of course, by targeting voters who are likely to vote democratic.  Are they resorting to fraud at such a level that it will make any difference in the outcome?  Highly unlikely.  Are the republicans trying to make this a bigger issue than it is?  Sure.  


 
They have no real issue which hasn't been milked dry so they pull out these sad items. 

Alchemist

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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 - 8:10pm

 Servo wrote:

Are you also samiyam?  If not, then you have no authority to make that claim.
 
I recognized samiam's text word for word from exotraxx's website, then did my due diligence to independently verify the source and note their proudly stated bias.  

Is Acorn trying to sway the election?  Of course, by targeting voters who are likely to vote democratic.  Are they resorting to fraud at such a level that it will make any difference in the outcome?  Highly unlikely.  Are the republicans trying to make this a bigger issue than it is?  Sure.  

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