Servo wrote:

What crap am I peddling? What mudslinging? Please answer carefully since you and I agree more often than not.

I stand by your assessment of samiyam's post as well. It closes the book on the subject as far as I'm concerned. The point of order re: your misunderstanding of who actually authored it is a different subject. My post was without bias or judgement, just like you like it.

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Granted, Samiyam's post had some problems, mainly in that it's difficult to create a quoted passage in this new text editor. It appears he either tried to link to the source of the article, unsuccessfully, or simply gave up and credited the source with the words "Source: Guardian Newspaper" in blue text. It was sufficient for me and others (evidently) to know that Samiyam didn't author the post himself. A quick Google found the source easily enough, as linked in my previous post. That you did not catch these hints does not reflect poorly on you, however your response to being told that it was a cut-and-paste was your typical over-the-top bombast when a reasonable person might have simply said, "Ah, maybe so."
for reference, here's samiyam's original post.

samiyam wrote:

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
No, that was NOT indicated in samiyam's post!  A saw no quotes either.

I stand by my assessment of samiyam's post.  All of your mudslinging and misdirection only serves to further highlight why that post is excellent, and the crap that you're peddling is not.

 manbirdexperiment wrote: 

He says thanks for the shout, but he's not so good - heavy head cold apparently.

 hobiejoe wrote: 
Hey could you call out and see if my friend, Ollie Tabouger, is there - I think he is. Tell him I said howerya. Thanks!

 Lazy8 wrote: 

One does one's best. Actually I really ought to pay more attention to my loyal customers than dabble in the minutiae of someone else's voting system. Having said that, there are only three of them at the moment.
 
Never mind, its only 25 minutes to beer o'clock.

 hobiejoe wrote:Clearly your heart is in the right place, and I salute your devotion to duty sir!

ACORN does not need to exist.  People who have half a brain and want to participate in the election they know where and how to register. 

 OlderThanDirt wrote: 

Hi OTD,
 
Sorry for the delay, long day. Thanks for the link.
 
The interesting thing to me is that the article reports the raid by the Nevada authorities, using the phrase "vote fraud" in the headline, with two "suspected's" and an "allegedly" in the brief text.
 
But no sign of anything to substantiate the allegations - no smoking gun, not even a reference to ongoing enquiries let alone any criminal charges. In the meantime the idea, or suggestion of wrong doing is planted - "Secretary Of State" and "search warrant" are powerful phrases, especially when reported by mainstream media. Job done.
 
At least the following couple of paragraphs from the article (and I am loath to get into a game of cut'n'paste ping pong, but I feel it is central to the point of my original post) sets out ACORNs' obligations and why such alleged activities would ppear to be completely counterproductive to them.
 

 

If some joker decides, for whatever reason, to register themselves as, say, "Mickey Mouse" and hand in their card to ACORN, then, as I understand it, it is ACORN themselves who flag the card as potentially fraudulent to the State.

And then, of course, our keen voter, Mr Mouse, is required to turn up to actually vote with suitable I.D. At least the photo will be easily recognisable.

If ACORN are fabricating phantom voters then they are bloody idiots who should be dealt with by the full majesty of the law in the full view of their peers - I am sure any such cases might appear in the media if and when anyone is actually charged with anything.

And finally, purely in the spirit of devilment, may I enquire as to the political leannings of the Secretary of State for Nevada?

 

*Edit*  Having said all that, I think Sam and Owld have already just about covered things! Oh well, serves me right for spouting forth while trying to keep the customers in beer

 owld_skipper wrote: 



You said it, Bwana!

 musik_knut wrote:
 
In this case the fraud is perpetrated against ACORN, which is paying people to register voters. The workers doing the registration are defrauding ACORN of the money ACORN is paying for completed legitimate registrations. Apparently, all those registrations are reviewed by ACORN, which by law it seems, must submit ALL registration forms that are competed, whether or not they may be invalid. ACORN indicates which registrations it has concerns about so that they can be vetted by officials responsible for compiling registered voter lists. So, it is ACORN that is being defrauded.

True voter fraud will occur when an unregistered voter uses another's identity to vote, or an illegally registered voter attempts to vote. Many states now have laws that permit polling officials to refuse a voter if the proof of identification presented at the poll does not perfectly match the information in the state's data base.

The hullabaloo about ACORN is another attempt by the GOP/McCain campaign to make Obama, who they try to link to ACRON, look bad in the eyes of the voters.

A lot of people getting their undies in a knot about nothing.

 musik_knut wrote: 
ACORN hires people from the employment offices to do canvassing.  They get paid to knock on doors and offer to help people register to vote.  Some of them are unemployed for a reason.  They're lousy people.  They go to a bar and fill out a few forms and submit them and then try to get paid for work they didn't do.

ACORN fires these people because their fraudulent voter forms are obvious and they haven't done their jobs and they have broken the law.  ACORN is then required to turn in the fraudulent voter forms to the registrar of voters and let them know which canvasser broke the law.  The registrar of voters is then required to investigate the fraudulent form and decide who's to blame.

At no time have any of these investigations by state or federal authorities been able to find any indications that ACORN is deliberately trying to stuff the ballot box.  They have assiduously attempted to avoid such happening and have followed the law to the letter.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the minimum-wage canvassers who wanted to sit in a bar and drink instead of going and doing their jobs.

The White House (Karl Rove and his ilk) have tried to force the US Attorneys to indict ACORN again and again and the US Attorney's Office has refused each time because their investigations have shown that there has been no voter fraud on the part of ACORN.

US Attorneys have actually been fired by the President and his henchmen because they refused to break the law and indict ACORN without evidence.  The case is currently being investigated by the US Special Investigator and it has been surmised that indictments will be handed down against members of the White House Staff soon.

This dog won't hunt.  The only thing the Republicans can do here is make themselves look even more ridiculous than normal and perpetuate their bad track record for truth and honesty.  Once the little boys have cried "Wolf" too many times, we stop believing them.

 Servo wrote: 
It's pasted from the Guardian.co.uk as indicated in samiyam's post.

 Alchemist wrote: 
Are you also samiyam?  If not, then you have no authority to make that claim.

 Servo wrote: 
This is just cut and paste from commentary in a publication which calls itself "The world's leading liberal voice".  Hardly unbiased.

 Servo wrote: 
Never said you did.  I would never have any expectation of collecting it if you did.

 musik_knut wrote: 
So in other words, you're pulling criminal allegations from your @$$.

The ironic thing is that making false allegations of a crime that never occurred is...a crime.

 OlderThanDirt wrote: 
Of course!  I only put the "s" in parentheses for comical value.


You must be confused.  I don't owe you anything.  Please direct your marching orders towards musik_knut.