miamizsun wrote: 
Our corporate leaders too. 

 RichardPrins wrote: 
Damn that was a long time ago, but thanks for the reply.

We don't need unrest anywhere IMO.  Unrest translates into death by violence in these regions I mentiond.  I cannot advocate for that at all.  But that is the way they do things over there.  Time TGTFO of there, period.  Our national security is not at stake in Syria.  Is Canada's ?  Or is Canada's national security tied directly to the US's ?

Your country is energy indepedent.  Ours can be if we want to be.  With energy independence, the US can tell the rest of the world to Eff off.  But we have to secure our borders or it won't mean a thing.  Our Bystander In Chief wrote a political check his ass can't cash and had no plan for when that check he wrote a year ago came due.  He drew a redline, it has been met.  Now what ?  We get sucked into a civil war that restarts the Cold War with the USSR Russia on the other side of our side ?  The head of the KGB is running their show.  We have a community organizer singing kumbya or however you write it running ours.  I wonder what the odds in Vegas are on this one ?  Sorry, as things stand this minute, my money is on Putin.  Where's yours ?

Do you want Canada getting involved or the US or both ?

Drill for peace ...
Edit:  just take the above at face value.  no snark or baiting intended.  just straight forward thoughts from a very tired person.

 sirdroseph wrote: 
Yeah, I'm sure something bad can be found about him as well...

 RichardPrins wrote: 

 sirdroseph wrote: 
I'd like to believe there are other possibilities. Almost nothing seems to be exclusively good, or bad...

 RichardPrins wrote: 

I say they do it the old fashioned way!  Big brother needs to fold up shop and take care of local problems for a few decades!

 RichardPrins wrote: 

Yes, but is there any other kind? I wonder.

 kurtster wrote:
 
It depends on the particular unrest and who's creating it. I'm all for people getting rid of their corrupt leaderships.

 miamizsun wrote: 
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, circa 1935

 miamizsun wrote: 

Hey, I have been saying this from the get go.  This is wrong on every level, morally and logistically.

 cc_rider wrote: 
and we don't spend enough on war and mass destruction anyway....

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
we're pledging a lot of weapons/training and drones not to mention our leaders throw in 50 million dollars a day to support the rebels who support al kayda

anyone see the wisdom in this?

bueller? bueller? anyone?

 miamizsun wrote:  Well, the people who buy our leaders love it.

 miamizsun wrote: 

yep, it's profitable.

 miamizsun wrote: 
Still waiting for that war for which no one shows up.

 miamizsun wrote: 

This will end well for NO ONE.

our leaders seem to love endless war...

 sirdroseph wrote: 
I agree and for all the reasons you mentioned.  I kinda came to the same conclusion about a week or so ago.  It crystalized when McCain went over and visited Syria.  If we partnered up with Russia on this it wuld send a real strong message to the radical Islamists, that their party is over.

Glad to know that I am not alone in these thoughts.

Just watching the news and had a brilliant idea. We should blow everyone's mind and support Assad. Think about it, no question Assad remaining in power is the safest move. The devil you know scenario. Stabilization is key and Assad status quo is the only way to achieve this imo. We should work with Russia, having a common goal with improve our relationship as well. I even think that Israel fares better with the Shia as opposed to the Sunni. There is a precarious and precise balance of different factions all opposing each other holding this thing together and a Sunni takeover of Syria not only would leave Islamic extremists who hate America and Israel more than the Shia in control, it would preclude doing so by defeating not only Assad but Hezbollah itself. You're talking about a powder keg that could literally set off WWIII.
Oh and it is the only way to stop the killing of innocent civilians, there is that too.

 kurtster wrote: 
Zackly!   Except Israel. They're going to take the brunt of it for us.