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Red_Dragon

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Skydog


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I just saw a headline that said Trump asked for prayers for the Arnold Apprentice show this morning at a Prayer Breakfast You can look it up, I didn't read the story, I can't anymore I am done about a month ago or so a question was asked in this forum who they would pick between Trump, Cruz or Pence as President I chose Trump because of all the nutty religious/social issues Cruz and Pence would bring with them But now I say bring on Reverend Pence, we have been fighting each other since Lincoln was elected maybe we can keep our war on each other within our borders and not go to war with the rest of the world hey Iran, that was Trump putting you on notice not Colbert
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Red_Dragon

Location: Gilead 
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Feb 2, 2017 - 8:28am |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote:
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ScottFromWyoming

Location: Powell Gender:  
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Feb 2, 2017 - 8:26am |
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Red_Dragon wrote:
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kurtster

Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:  
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Feb 2, 2017 - 7:07am |
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haresfur wrote: I, like Trump, insist on the distinction between legal and illegal immigrant. To conflate the two means that there are no laws or rules that apply to the matter. With or without papers is a legal distinction that means that laws and rules do apply somewhere, somehow. And immigration laws are not racist or bigoted when applied evenly.
The whole executive order was aimed at legal immigrants and refugees. It caused huge personal disruption for people who just happened to find themselves out of the country when the order came down. So your statement above would mean you disagree with the order or if you agree with the order you are not distinguishing between legal and illegal immigrants. Trump is not applying the law evenly. He made a new set of rules for a particular group of people who were following the law. In addition to the people stuck abroad there are others who are stuck in the US because they wouldn't be let back. No, if Trump accepted legal immigration he wouldn't change the rules on legal immigrants because they are part of some identifiable but legal demographic. That is discrimination.
There are enough existing laws, so that if enforced we already have enough to straighten out the mess we are in.
Yeah. The executive order was an attack on the existing laws.
I am compassionate towards those here who embrace this country for what it is supposed to be(the meaning of which needs to be defined by a public conversation but until then shall mean embracing and compliance with existing laws) and that they be given a legal status of some kind short of citizenship
So you want to keep people on the margins of society rather than allowing them to integrate in as citizens. That is not only cruel but self-defeating. You cannot have a successful country where some of the populace are disenfranchised forever. The US tried that with the blacks and with women. Bad idea. I do not see compassion in your statement.
I addressed the bolded later on in my screed. That is the problem with writing long winded stuff covering so much. Out of the 325,000 foreigners who entered the country on the day the order was implemented there were officially only 109 and unofficially up to 300 people who were disrupted. That is a tiny number out of the overall. And exactly what laws were violated in this order ? Policies maybe. Much different from laws. If you want to judge Trump's entire immigration policy on this one incident, feel free. I think that would be a mistake, however. kurtster wrote: He made the yuge gaffe when he implemented his travel ban on Friday, yet worked quickly to fix it. I give him a pass for two reasons. First he is new at this. Second, perhaps iffen he had a Secretary of State and his own Attorney General in place, it would have been done properly or at least much better. But he didn’t, he was left with himself to determine what was best to do as he saw it.
On the second bolded. About the only thing that a legal resident with a Green Card cannot do is vote. People who decided that their needs were greater than respecting this country's needs and arrived illegally should not be rewarded with being able to vote. And if you want to go down the rabbit hole, voting was originally only available to property owners. That was eventually extended to all citizens, but it took awhile. Having legal status is enough and compassionate for those who showed no respect in the way they came here. They never had a right to vote here in the first place and were guaranteed nothing upon their arrival. But this is all conjecture until the border is secured and we Americans have the conversation about what to do after we have fixed our system. So please restrain passing judgement on me alone on this particular subject. Do pass judgement on all the people who allowed this mess to be created in the first place. I will live with the resolutions that will come, but we have a ways to go before we get there.
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steeler

Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth 
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Feb 2, 2017 - 7:01am |
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kurtster wrote: As one who expressed an interest, you made several posts after I put it up without even acknowledging it. You could have at least said what you did above about having to digest it and responding later.
I realize that noenz is in a different time zone and I wrote quite a bit that does need to be digested (even though I don't think I said anything new, just put it all in one place) realizing that a proper response would take some time. I get that. If other people had not expressed an interest such as you, I most likely would have kept it private and just pm'd it to noenz. I was thinking with the lack of any acknowledgement that once again my chain was being yanked and everyone would be having a good laugh at me for having done all of this work for the usual ridicule that comes in the form of being ignored. Ha ! We got him to spin his wheels again, what a fool. He never learns. Had a great deal to do with me not wanting to do it in the first place.
I do appreciate Scott's honesty and his thoughts about how he would take it if I posted it, which relates to my reservations expressed above in the first place.
I understand. I was not criticizing; just urging you to be patient and leave it up. One of my posts that came after yours was being typed before you posted; the other was a quick response I made before I read your post. I expect to post some comments when I have a little time.
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black321

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Feb 2, 2017 - 6:40am |
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kurtster wrote: As one who expressed an interest, you made several posts after I put it up without even acknowledging it. You could have at least said what you did above about having to digest it and responding later.
I realize that noenz is in a different time zone and I wrote quite a bit that does need to be digested (even though I don't think I said anything new, just put it all in one place) realizing that a proper response would take some time. I get that. If other people had not expressed an interest such as you, I most likely would have kept it private and just pm'd it to noenz. I was thinking with the lack of any acknowledgement that once again my chain was being yanked and everyone would be having a good laugh at me for having done all of this work for the usual ridicule that comes in the form of being ignored. Ha ! We got him to spin his wheels again, what a fool. He never learns. Had a great deal to do with me not wanting to do it in the first place.
I do appreciate Scott's honesty and his thoughts about how he would take it if I posted it, which relates to my reservations expressed above in the first place.
Shouldn't take it so hard. I'm sure many read it, like myself. I appreciate your opinion, whether i agree with it or not. But I'm not necessarily interested in your or anyone else's full and exact position on trump, rather a back and forth on this issue or that...
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Red_Dragon

Location: Gilead 
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Feb 2, 2017 - 6:25am |
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kurtster

Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:  
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Feb 2, 2017 - 6:01am |
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steeler wrote: You need to be more patient. I have not yet had time to digest it. Not sure why you would put an expiration date on it.
i will say this, quickly: who is in this establishment that Trump will be getting rid of? I figure they are the opposite of those who claim to be outsiders. Who are they and how will Trump get rid of them?
As one who expressed an interest, you made several posts after I put it up without even acknowledging it. You could have at least said what you did above about having to digest it and responding later. I realize that noenz is in a different time zone and I wrote quite a bit that does need to be digested (even though I don't think I said anything new, just put it all in one place) realizing that a proper response would take some time. I get that. If other people had not expressed an interest such as you, I most likely would have kept it private and just pm'd it to noenz. I was thinking with the lack of any acknowledgement that once again my chain was being yanked and everyone would be having a good laugh at me for having done all of this work for the usual ridicule that comes in the form of being ignored. Ha ! We got him to spin his wheels again, what a fool. He never learns. Had a great deal to do with me not wanting to do it in the first place. I do appreciate Scott's honesty and his thoughts about how he would take it if I posted it, which relates to my reservations expressed above in the first place.
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NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Feb 2, 2017 - 12:23am |
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kurtster wrote: .. summary..
 respect for doing that. I'll get back to you when I have time to write a decent reply.
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haresfur

Location: The Golden Triangle Gender:  
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Feb 1, 2017 - 11:24pm |
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kurtster wrote:Here ya go. This is just my opinion and nothing more. Its only if wishes could be horses, then we would all be riding. Don't make it into anything more than that. I still have an open mind on everything.
Immigration I, like Trump, insist on the distinction between legal and illegal immigrant. To conflate the two means that there are no laws or rules that apply to the matter. With or without papers is a legal distinction that means that laws and rules do apply somewhere, somehow. And immigration laws are not racist or bigoted when applied evenly. No one other than US citizens has a right to enter this country at will with their proof of citizenship. Everyone else is granted privileges to enter on condition of rules and laws that are subject to change. I share the same belief that a country without respected borders is not a country and what ever laws are in place, they could only be considered transient and malleable based upon expediency and convenience only. It renders the US Constitution meaningless as only the country called the USA can defend it and its worth within its borders. It applies no where else. There are enough existing laws, so that if enforced we already have enough to straighten out the mess we are in. The mess we are in stems from selective enforcement of the existing laws to further political ends deemed worthy in the name of Social Justice. That is the case of ends justifying the means. The Constitution is designed to prevent this from happening. Since the 60’s I have used the term Anchor Babies once I became aware of the act. I, like Trump, believe that the 14th Amendment is not being properly used as the right used to justify it in this case. Congress has the right to decide the citizenship status of births on USA soil to non resident foreign citizens while here as provided in the Constitution. Congress has never acted in its role on this nor has this interpretation ever been challenged in court. There are four fronts on the immigration front. Legal, illegal, border security and enforcement. There is a system in place for all four, yet none of them are properly and evenly applied.
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I am compassionate towards those here who embrace this country for what it is supposed to be(the meaning of which needs to be defined by a public conversation but until then shall mean embracing and compliance with existing laws) and that they be given a legal status of some kind short of citizenship (serving in our military would be a worthy exception) and be allowed to remain. Those who come here wanting to change this country for whatever reasons as a reason for being here, well no way. I'll save the rest for later. Can I have a doggy bag? I, like Trump, insist on the distinction between legal and illegal immigrant. To conflate the two means that there are no laws or rules that apply to the matter. With or without papers is a legal distinction that means that laws and rules do apply somewhere, somehow. And immigration laws are not racist or bigoted when applied evenly.The whole executive order was aimed at legal immigrants and refugees. It caused huge personal disruption for people who just happened to find themselves out of the country when the order came down. So your statement above would mean you disagree with the order or if you agree with the order you are not distinguishing between legal and illegal immigrants. Trump is not applying the law evenly. He made a new set of rules for a particular group of people who were following the law. In addition to the people stuck abroad there are others who are stuck in the US because they wouldn't be let back. No, if Trump accepted legal immigration he wouldn't change the rules on legal immigrants because they are part of some identifiable but legal demographic. That is discrimination. There are enough existing laws, so that if enforced we already have enough to straighten out the mess we are in.
Yeah. The executive order was an attack on the existing laws. I am compassionate towards those here who embrace this country for what it is supposed to be(the meaning of which needs to be defined by a public conversation but until then shall mean embracing and compliance with existing laws) and that they be given a legal status of some kind short of citizenshipSo you want to keep people on the margins of society rather than allowing them to integrate in as citizens. That is not only cruel but self-defeating. You cannot have a successful country where some of the populace are disenfranchised forever. The US tried that with the blacks and with women. Bad idea. I do not see compassion in your statement.
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R_P

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Feb 1, 2017 - 10:17pm |
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kcar


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Feb 1, 2017 - 9:30pm |
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R_P wrote:I doubt that Putin cares one iota about what and who Trump sticks it to inside the country. Chaos is good and helps to maintain an internal focus. The real tests come with foreign policy. And that's just getting started. Putin might worry about our domestic events if they further destabilize Trump or force him to confront Russia. I suspect that Trump doesn't care much about the increased Russian attacks in eastern Ukraine but Trump does have to eventually respond to demands of his European allies. "America First" is not a way for Trump to succeed internationally; if he keeps things up, Trump is going to rack up a lot of overseas enemies who were once our friends. "America First" is turning into "America Alone."
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R_P

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Feb 1, 2017 - 8:59pm |
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kcar wrote:For the asylum inmates, maybe... You can only hope that Putin gets so sick of Douchebag Don's insanity that he aims Russia's disinformation campaign at Trump the next time around. At this point, even TheOnion's satirical piece on Neil Gorsuch doesn't seem so far-fetched. I doubt that Putin cares one iota about what and who Trump sticks it to inside the country. Chaos is good and helps to maintain an internal focus. The real tests come with foreign policy. And that's just getting started.
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kcar


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Feb 1, 2017 - 8:11pm |
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R_P wrote: kcar wrote:You and Red_Dragon keep posting links to news stories with headlines so ridiculous and head-slapping that I keep checking them on Google, just to make sure you're not competing with TheOnion.com.
Welcome to Hell, folks! Relax, EVERYTHING will be GREAT again!  For the asylum inmates, maybe... You can only hope that Putin gets so sick of Douchebag Don's insanity that he aims Russia's disinformation campaign at Trump the next time around. At this point, even TheOnion's satirical piece on Neil Gorsuch doesn't seem so far-fetched.
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R_P

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Feb 1, 2017 - 7:43pm |
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kcar wrote:You and Red_Dragon keep posting links to news stories with headlines so ridiculous and head-slapping that I keep checking them on Google, just to make sure you're not competing with TheOnion.com.
Welcome to Hell, folks! Relax, EVERYTHING will be GREAT again!
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Red_Dragon

Location: Gilead 
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Feb 1, 2017 - 7:28pm |
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kcar


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Feb 1, 2017 - 7:23pm |
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R_P wrote:"If you don't give me your lunch money, I will just have to take it myself..."
You and Red_Dragon keep posting links to news stories with headlines so ridiculous and head-slapping that I keep checking them on Google, just to make sure you're not competing with TheOnion.com. Welcome to Hell, folks!
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R_P

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Feb 1, 2017 - 7:13pm |
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R_P

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Feb 1, 2017 - 7:01pm |
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"If you don't give me your lunch money, I will just have to take it myself..."
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