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Posted: Nov 13, 2016 - 5:07pm

THANKS DONNIE!
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Posted: Nov 13, 2016 - 3:48pm

THANKS DONNIE!

 
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Posted: Nov 13, 2016 - 9:29am

THANKS DONNIE!

 
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Posted: Nov 13, 2016 - 9:17am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Actually I don't think so, we will see when our relationship with Russia unfolds.

 
It's not so much our relationship with Russia, but our relationship with NATO. The scary part of this to me is it has a lot of involvement with the various berxitieers all over Europe. As France, Italy, Latvia, Turkey et. all split from from the idea of unity and move toward isolationist protectionism, they become collectively weaker. As Russia looks to a foreign entanglement to distract from their internal problems and satisfy Putin's conquest lust, all it takes is us not backing our NATO partners to make Europe a very messy situation. The EU has it's problems, but there hasn't been a war on the continent in a long time and that is largely because of the Union. This is a long trail of dominoes, but the last one falls on our shore and ends up with a lot of dead soldiers (and possibly civilians too). 

It will be interesting to see where Cuba winds up in this again.  History repeats and all.  
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Posted: Nov 13, 2016 - 9:07am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Actually I don't think so, we will see when our relationship with Russia unfolds.

 
Not necessarily behind the curtain pulling some strings but taking advantage of the situation.
During the Cold War the USSR gave support to left wing anti-war groups in both Europe and the USA like Russia now with right wing groups.
Both Trump and current and former Trump staff people have associations in Russia.
But again, what does Trump want with it all? Maybe he's using them just like they are using him.
 


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Posted: Nov 13, 2016 - 7:18am

 Skydog wrote:

Is Vladimir Putin (whom Pat Buchanan once asked, "Is Putin one of us?") one of the men behind the curtain?
Putin has given support to right-wing Euro groups.

 
Actually I don't think so, we will see when our relationship with Russia unfolds.
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Posted: Nov 13, 2016 - 7:14am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Yea, I have been watching this and am not very pleased to say the least.  This is not a good sign for those of us who follow foreign policy and long for some sanity.{#Eek}The MIC gotta get paid, looks like any hope of thinking Trump might not be owned is now gone.  The old men behind the curtain got their way after all..........

 
Is Vladimir Putin (whom Pat Buchanan once asked, "Is Putin one of us?") one of the men behind the curtain?
Putin has given support to right-wing Euro groups.
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Posted: Nov 13, 2016 - 6:42am

 Skydog wrote:
Not sure what to make of all this,...
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*  Marion Marechal-Le Pen, niece of France’s anti-immigration National Front leader Marine Le Pen, says she’ll accept an invitation to work with top aide to U.S. President-Elect Donald Trump.
 M
arechal-Le Pen, 26, is a French member of parliament, granddaughter of National Front founder Jean-Marie Le Pen, her tweet below
 

I answer yes to the invitation of Stephen Bannon, CEO of presidential campaign, to work together.
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Also,....
.
 Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party met with Trump yesterday and tweeted this
 

It was a great honour to spend time with @realDonaldTrump. He was relaxed and full of good ideas. I'm confident he will be a good President.



 
Yea, I have been watching this and am not very pleased to say the least.  This is not a good sign for those of us who follow foreign policy and long for some sanity.{#Eek}The MIC gotta get paid, looks like any hope of thinking Trump might not be owned is now gone.  The old men behind the curtain got their way after all..........


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Posted: Nov 13, 2016 - 6:34am

Not sure what to make of all this,...
.
*  Marion Marechal-Le Pen, niece of France’s anti-immigration National Front leader Marine Le Pen, says she’ll accept an invitation to work with top aide to U.S. President-Elect Donald Trump.
 M
arechal-Le Pen, 26, is a French member of parliament, granddaughter of National Front founder Jean-Marie Le Pen, her tweet below
 

I answer yes to the invitation of Stephen Bannon, CEO of presidential campaign, to work together.
.
Also,....
.
 Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party met with Trump yesterday and tweeted this
 

It was a great honour to spend time with @realDonaldTrump. He was relaxed and full of good ideas. I'm confident he will be a good President.


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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 9:27pm

 Yibbyl wrote:

Any surprises concerning the names floated? For me, not at all. Let's be honest, Trump has no political experience and is having to put together a team. He'll be delegating a lot. In my mind, he was always going to pick Washington insiders as who else was going to show him the ropes? All his talk of being an outsider as his sales pitch is fine and dandy when he described himself, but IMO the writing was on the wall regarding what he would have to do regarding his staff.

 
He can get guys with spears to kill the alligators.

To fix the bigger problems he needs guys with(figurative) guns,and that's the people who know how to work the system to achieve his goals,which I think will surprise a lot of people.(If he doesn't get lynched for having a big mouth,the brute).
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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 9:14pm

 islander wrote:

So how do you feel about his team and potential cabinet so far?  From here it looks like a mix of insiders and lobbyists (all sycophants).  He's already walking back commitments (probably good). You don't "drain the swamp", by inviting the mayor of swamptown to join your team.
 
Any surprises concerning the names floated? For me, not at all. Let's be honest, Trump has no political experience and is having to put together a team. He'll be delegating a lot. In my mind, he was always going to pick Washington insiders as who else was going to show him the ropes? All his talk of being an outsider as his sales pitch is fine and dandy when he described himself, but IMO the writing was on the wall regarding what he would have to do regarding his staff.
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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 6:22pm

 islander wrote:

So how do you feel about his team and potential cabinet so far?  From here it looks like a mix of insiders and lobbyists (all sycophants).  He's already walking back commitments (probably good). You don't "drain the swamp", by inviting the mayor of swamptown to join your team.

 
I'm in a wait and see mode on his cabinet.  We've heard all kinds of names floating around, but nothing reliable yet.  No leaks is a good sign imo for starters.  Tells me how good the people and the organization are.  Trump is all about loyalty, both ways.  We do see Christie being gently but assuredly being moved to the side because of Bridgegate thing.  So DJT gets liabilities and associations.  I'll be able to size them up pretty well cuz more than likely I've at least seen whoever they might be a couple of times on FBN.  Not to be confused with FNC.  Its business oriented with a dash of libertarianism.

But ...  If we take Trump with the best of expectations, hiring the mayor is not a bad thing.  First, it takes one to know one, which is part of the premise for my original support of Trump.  Second, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.  Or third and probably the least desirable ... fight fire with fire.

The man seems to be able to get along with anyone so far.  He's been building or rebuilding relationships, talking to both sides of the aisle.  He's even spoke with the likes of Jeb, Mitt and our gov, Kasich, who I have an extremely low opinion of now.  

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or I could be completely wrong and bought a load of shit.  It'll all move fast.  Still optimistic.
 
So who deals with the protesters ?  The current POTUS or the new one ?  Personally, I think Hillary and Obama should at least hold one press conference to tell them to knock it off and go home.  They are the ones still in charge and the ones who are the beneficiaries of the protests (at least on paper so far)  Probably won't be heeded, but they have to go through the motions one more time.  



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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 5:55pm

I agree with a lot of this, except I think he should've forgone the shave at the end.

 
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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 5:54pm

 haresfur wrote:

Would that mean an Old Testament God?
Or a New Testament God that saved us from Cruz?
Or just plain, "mysterious ways"?

In any case, I try to live my life in a way that it doesn't matter if God exists or not. Think that through.*

*with sincere respect to your beliefs and perspective. Yer a good bloke, OV.

 
A ha! A practitioner. The world (and "God") can use all the mansions a good man can build. Lotta homeless people out there...
I perceive no disrespect. I only want to challenge the language and twist the concept, not the Word. Of course it matters, just maybe not the way you think it should or should not.


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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 5:14pm

 kurtster wrote:
 
Vox, eh ?   Another innocent independent media organization with no apparent agenda or bias, right ?

In August 2015, NBCUniversal made a $200 million equity investment in Vox Media Inc., valuing the company at more than $1 billion.

 Riiiight ...  More of the same from one of the purveyors of the Anti Trump left wing media narrative that tried to destroy Trump at all costs and invested so heavily in predicting everything wrong so far about this election and its outcome.  And you're throwing out more predictions of gloom and doom from someone who has gotten everything else wrong so far, like all the others who never saw what was coming, when it was plain as day.

Your set up and the narrative preceding has made Trump look worse than the Devil incarnate....
 
 
kurtster, when you attack a person (or a news site) for some failing or bias instead of debunking their statements, it's generally a strong sign that you're trying very hard to run away from their arguments.

Read the Vox article ("Donald Trump’s Presidency Is Going To Be a Disaster For The White Working Class") instead of trying to avoid the argument with an ad hominem attack. If you're not familiar with that Latin phrase,  try this link

You were the guy who was so upset about the economy leaving people behind and how elites were feeding at the political trough. Trump made some very vague promises to bring back coal/manufacturing jobs, drain the swamp and get rid of illegal immigrants, but he didn't provide any details, did he?

Well guess what: people who make a living at analyzing the economy and budget proposals and policy plans have looked at Trump's statements and have called bul|$h*t on them. If you'd like me to provide links to other, non-Vox articles about the consequences of Trump's promises and policies, let me know. 

But frankly, you should have been reading up on what a Trump presidency is going to mean to the economy and the working class. As far as I can tell, it's your butt on the line if Trump screws the pooch. And given that he's ripped people off over and over, and that he's never run a town, city, county, state or nation, I'm pretty sure his campaign promises and lies are going to hammer the economy. 
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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 4:19pm

 haresfur wrote:


In any case, I try to live my life in a way that it doesn't matter if God exists or not. Think that through.*

 
That is how I see it.


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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 3:55pm

 oldviolin wrote:

What if there is a "God" and Trump is proof enough of that? Wait. Think it through now...

 
Would that mean an Old Testament God?
Or a New Testament God that saved us from Cruz?
Or just plain, "mysterious ways"?

In any case, I try to live my life in a way that it doesn't matter if God exists or not. Think that through.*

*with sincere respect to your beliefs and perspective. Yer a good bloke, OV.
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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 3:09pm

 oldviolin wrote:

What if there is a "God" and Trump is proof enough of that? Wait. Think it through now...

 
I don't want to start
Any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's
Got a sick sense of humour
And when I die
I expect to find Him laughing
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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 2:47pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
This man is the end of America as we know it. Period. This country will never be the same. I would say: "God help us." but there is no god. Trump is proof enough of that.

 
What if there is a "God" and Trump is proof enough of that? Wait. Think it through now...


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Posted: Nov 12, 2016 - 2:20pm

Because science is a liberal conspiracy.
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