This is what I want to see. Also, we have a group of accusers, and a pretty clear pattern (and what looks so far to be a pretty good sized group of potential abusers). Lets march it all out into the daylight and see what withers. Trump has been accused, as has clinton, prince andrew, bill richardson and many others. Let's hear the full accusations, see the evidence, consider the defense.
Let's see who's on those cd-roms confiscated from Epstein's safe. Let's see who he had the goods on, who signed his get-out-of-jail-free card. Let's hope the investigation is fair and thorough and honest, that the evidence doesn't see the same fate as all those hard drives in the Obama administration. But I don't want Trump implicated just because I hate him.
OK, I do. But that's no reason to accuse the man of being a child molester.
But if he is I want him burnt to the ground.
*You know, Alex Acosta, now the US Sec'y of Labor?
Former US Sec'y of Labor. Some people in the Trump administration still have some shame...unless the last one just left.
This is what I want to see. Also, we have a group of accusers, and a pretty clear pattern (and what looks so far to be a pretty good sized group of potential abusers). Lets march it all out into the daylight and see what withers. Trump has been accused, as has clinton, prince andrew, bill richardson and many others. Let's hear the full accusations, see the evidence, consider the defense.
I will give you Pizzagate. It's all true, 100% of it. As long as your dragnet isn't conveniently avoiding Trump. If you're throwing whataboutisms now, about Epstein? If you're saying "sure, Donald Trump raped babies, but what about Bill Clinton?" and using that as an excuse to let Donald Trump not pay any price for raping babies? Oh. My. God.
Take a deep breath, you're hyperbabulating.
Remember back during the latter Bush administration, when 9/11 conspiracy theories went mainstream? When anybody challenging an absurd, hyperbolic claim about what must have happened was met with "How dare you defend George Bush?"
Don't let your hatred of the Orange Man drive you to demand the perversion of justice.
Atty Gen'l Bill Barr's father got Jeff his start on Wall Street. Jeff got in trouble with the baby-raping scheme a long time ago but in 2005, US attorney Alex Acosta* got him a plea deal for 18 months (reduced to 13 months) where Jeff got to leave prison for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, and in the bargain, the US agreed to not prosecute any known or unknown potential co-conspirators who might have flown on the Lolita Express.
So, yeah. Bring up Bill Clinton, I don't care. Feed him to the sharks. Because I know no one here's got the balls to bring up Clinton and not understand that that means Trump has to face the same punishment.
Ahem. No one?
Let's see who's on those cd-roms confiscated from Epstein's safe. Let's see who he had the goods on, who signed his get-out-of-jail-free card. Let's hope the investigation is fair and thorough and honest, that the evidence doesn't see the same fate as all those hard drives in the Obama administration. But I don't want Trump implicated just because I hate him.
OK, I do. But that's no reason to accuse the man of being a child molester.
But if he is I want him burnt to the ground.
*You know, Alex Acosta, now the US Sec'y of Labor?
Former US Sec'y of Labor. Some people in the Trump administration still have some shame...unless the last one just left.
Hours after Mr. Epstein was found to have hanged himself in his Manhattan jail cell, Mr. Trump retweeted a post from the comedian Terrence Williams linking the Clintons to the death. Mr. Epstein âhad information on Bill Clinton & now heâs dead,â wrote Mr. Williams, a Trump supporter. In an accompanying two-minute video, Mr. Williams noted that âfor some odd reason, people that have information on the Clintons end up dead.â (...)
Posting from his luxury golf club in Bedminster, N.J., Mr. Trump also shared another tweet, from an unverified account, which claimed that recently unsealed documents involving accusations of Mr. Epsteinâs abuse had revealed that Mr. Clinton âtook private trips to Jeffrey Epsteinâs âpedophilia island.ââ (...)
Edit: Of course all these men are scum, but raping babies? Cmon, you sound like Alex Jones with all that hyperbole.
So 14â16 it's just "underage girls," a technicality, probably not even a crime if they'd been 18. Got it.
That is correct, if they were 18 it would not had been a crime. I did not write the laws but that is what it states. I have never considered a 14 year old human to be a baby. Babies are usually 0-2 or so. Toddlers are 2-5 or so and then they become children between 5-12 or so, 13-20 teenagers and then adults. Just thought maybe we can ease up on the frothing at the mouth hyperbole is all. I don't understand why you would have any problem with my opinion at all, I as you clearly want all of those who participated in anything illegal in this matter to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Cannot make that any more clear. My only issue is to make this just about Trump when it is about so much more and also for anyone to make it all about Clinton either. What problem do you have with that?
While technically correct, I'll note that you just commingled two distinct groups under the heading of 'teenager'. Those who can consent and those who cannot are distinct subgroups for the purpose of this discussion.
And I'm with Scott here. There seems to be a pretty big group of rich and powerful individuals (mostly men) who used their wealth and power to do some pretty awful things. One of them offed himself (good riddance), but we still have a mountain of evidence, a group of victims and a list of named perpetrators. Why are the named perpetrators not being hauled in for intense questioning?
No one is really surprised by the allegations as long is it is against their partisan enemies, so I say bring them all in. As to the conspiracy bit - meh, when one of the victims goes missing, or the evidence disappears, then you've got something.
Oh yeah, this belongs here because Trump has a history of treating women like dirt, has been accused by a victim implicated in this scandal, has a history with the dead guy at the center of the scandal and has associations with almost all of the people involved in the scandal for the past 25 year or more.
Edit: Of course all these men are scum, but raping babies? Cmon, you sound like Alex Jones with all that hyperbole.
So 14â16 it's just "underage girls," a technicality, probably not even a crime if they'd been 18. Got it.
That is correct, if they were 18 it would not had been a crime. I did not write the laws but that is what it states. I have never considered a 14 year old human to be a baby. Babies are usually 0-2 or so. Toddlers are 2-5 or so and then they become children between 5-12 or so, 13-20 teenagers and then adults. Just thought maybe we can ease up on the frothing at the mouth hyperbole is all. I don't understand why you would have any problem with my opinion at all, I as you clearly want all of those who participated in anything illegal in this matter to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Cannot make that any more clear. My only issue is to make this just about Trump when it is about so much more and also for anyone to make it all about Clinton either. What problem do you have with that?
There's a fire in your kitchen and a fire next door and a fire in the next block. Which one gets your attention?
For everyone else both are equally important, for myself it is next door. I suppose your political partisanship would define where next door is for the individual, those that do not have a dog in the race just see fire.
Edit: Of course all these men are scum, but raping babies? Cmon, you sound like Alex Jones with all that hyperbole.
So 14â16 it's just "underage girls," a technicality, probably not even a crime if they'd been 18. Got it.
That is correct, if they were 18 it would not had been a crime. I did not write the laws but that is what it states. I have never considered a 14 year old human to be a baby. Babies are usually 0-2 or so. Toddlers are 2-5 or so and then they become children between 5-12 or so, 13-20 teenagers and then adults. Just thought maybe we can ease up on the frothing at the mouth hyperbole is all. I don't understand why you would have any problem with my opinion at all, I as you clearly want all of those who participated in anything illegal in this matter to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Cannot make that any more clear. My only issue is to make this just about Trump when it is about so much more and also for anyone to make it all about Clinton either. What problem do you have with that?
There's a fire in your kitchen and a fire next door and a fire in the next block. Which one gets your attention?
I and many others have known about Epstein for years
And you can compartmentalize his baby-raping to support him when his other policies make sense to you. I give you Clinton. I was wrong and refused to believe what is obvious in hindsight. Guilty as charged. But any attempt to move this conversation out of this thread is just more of that same blindness. Our current president is, according to a preponderance of evidence now coming to light, guilty of having raped babies. Your move.
First of all, no one has been found guilty of having sex with underage girls and I am not going to jump to the conclusion that all of those that have or have had associations with Epstein have done so either. The ONLY thing I stated is that the hyper partisanship of every individual who comments is clouded to just insinuate guilt upon those they do not like, absolving all others. I would not be surprised in the slightest if Trump were to have been found guilty any more than if Clinton were. In my mind when it comes to the fire down below they are 2 peas in a pod. I have always thought and said that probably right here in this forum. Froth on, Garth.
I and many others have known about Epstein for years
And you can compartmentalize his baby-raping to support him when his other policies make sense to you. I give you Clinton. I was wrong and refused to believe what is obvious in hindsight. Guilty as charged. But any attempt to move this conversation out of this thread is just more of that same blindness. Our current president is, according to a preponderance of evidence now coming to light, guilty of having raped babies. Your move.
Edit: Of course all these men are scum, but raping babies? Cmon, you sound like Alex Jones with all that hyperbole.
So 14â16 it's just "underage girls," a technicality, probably not even a crime if they'd been 18. Got it.
That is correct, if they were 18 it would not had been a crime. I did not write the laws but that is what it states. I have never considered a 14 year old human to be a baby. Babies are usually 0-2 or so. Toddlers are 2-5 or so and then they become children between 5-12 or so, 13-20 teenagers and then adults. Just thought maybe we can ease up on the frothing at the mouth hyperbole is all. I don't understand why you would have any problem with my opinion at all, I as you clearly want all of those who participated in anything illegal in this matter to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Cannot make that any more clear. My only issue is to make this just about Trump when it is about so much more and also for anyone to make it all about Clinton either. What problem do you have with that?
I will give you Pizzagate. It's all true, 100% of it. As long as your dragnet isn't conveniently avoiding Trump. If you're throwing whataboutisms now, about Epstein? If you're saying "sure, Donald Trump raped babies, but what about Bill Clinton?" and using that as an excuse to let Donald Trump not pay any price for raping babies? Oh. My. God.
Atty Gen'l Bill Barr's father got Jeff his start on Wall Street. Jeff got in trouble with the baby-raping scheme a long time ago but in 2005, US attorney Alex Acosta* got him a plea deal for 18 months (reduced to 13 months) where Jeff got to leave prison for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, and in the bargain, the US agreed to not prosecute any known or unknown potential co-conspirators who might have flown on the Lolita Express.
So, yeah. Bring up Bill Clinton, I don't care. Feed him to the sharks. Because I know no one here's got the balls to bring up Clinton and not understand that that means Trump has to face the same punishment.
*You know, Alex Acosta, now the US Sec'y of Labor?
Screw em all. I couldn't care less about Trump if he is guilty too. My only irritation is that this was posted in Trump's thread which is the same irritation you are having that Clinton and all of the others are getting a pass. I and many others have known about Epstein for years and the truth is he probably offed himself because he did not want to face the music, but let me tell you there are hundreds of very famous and powerful people from all political persuasions that are breathing a lot easier today. All of these people have 2 things in common either they blindly looked the other way because the rich and powerful feel they are above the law or they got the fire down below. F*&ck em all and this subject should be continued under a thread about misogyny, sexual abuse, conspiracy theories, the me too movement or most appropriately the abuses of the powerful and rich. As for not having the balls to understand that Trump has to face the same consequences if found guilty engaging in prostitution of underage girls, oh you mean the one Trump supporter in this forum? Edit: Of course all these men are scum, but raping babies? Cmon, you sound like Alex Jones with all that hyperbole.
I will give you Pizzagate. It's all true, 100% of it. As long as your dragnet isn't conveniently avoiding Trump. If you're throwing whataboutisms now, about Epstein? If you're saying "sure, Donald Trump raped babies, but what about Bill Clinton?" and using that as an excuse to let Donald Trump not pay any price for raping babies? Oh. My. God.
Atty Gen'l Bill Barr's father got Jeff his start on Wall Street. Jeff got in trouble with the baby-raping scheme a long time ago but in 2005, US attorney Alex Acosta* got him a plea deal for 18 months (reduced to 13 months) where Jeff got to leave prison for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, and in the bargain, the US agreed to not prosecute any known or unknown potential co-conspirators who might have flown on the Lolita Express.
So, yeah. Bring up Bill Clinton, I don't care. Feed him to the sharks. Because I know no one here's got the balls to bring up Clinton and not understand that that means Trump has to face the same punishment.
*You know, Alex Acosta, now the US Sec'y of Labor?
Hell Clinton conspiracy theorist have been predicting this one for years, true or not another is added to their list. To be fair though Trump had the least association with him than many, many other famous people and politicians so it probably shouldn't be in this thread. Let's just say Bill Clinton's life just got considerably better.
Hell Clinton conspiracy theorist have been predicting this one for years, true or not another is added to their list. To be fair though Trump had the least association with him than many, many other famous people and politicians so it probably shouldn't be in this thread. Let's just say Bill Clinton's life just got considerably better.
Trump Told Press That Hospital Visit Wasnât A Photo Op â Then Produced A Promotional Video About It "Members of the White House Press Corps were told by the Trump administration that they would not be granted access to President Donald Trump as he greeted and consoled victims (and victimsâ families) of a mass shooting when he visited a hospital in Dayton Ohio, on Wednesday. The rationale by the White House was that the president wanted the event to be âabout victims,â and not be a âphoto op,â Los Angeles Times White House reporter Eli Stokols tweeted out. It appeared that Trumpâs team had done just that, however, as Trumpâs own Twitter account shared a video they themselves produced, depicting Trump meeting with hospital staff, families of victims, smiling for photographs with police, and more..."
Trump Told Press That Hospital Visit Wasnât A Photo Op â Then Produced A Promotional Video About It "Members of the White House Press Corps were told by the Trump administration that they would not be granted access to President Donald Trump as he greeted and consoled victims (and victimsâ families) of a mass shooting when he visited a hospital in Dayton Ohio, on Wednesday. The rationale by the White House was that the president wanted the event to be âabout victims,â and not be a âphoto op,â Los Angeles Times White House reporter Eli Stokols tweeted out. It appeared that Trumpâs team had done just that, however, as Trumpâs own Twitter account shared a video they themselves produced, depicting Trump meeting with hospital staff, families of victims, smiling for photographs with police, and more..."
