As I said before this thread is a microcosm of Trump's grand strategy. If he can incite anger and rage from his opponents and bring them down to his level, this clearly throws anyone off of their game. He knows that you cannot preach love and peace from a position of anger, rage and coercion leaving those that oppose him at a distinct disadvantage trying to play on his field. I will give Obama credit where credit is due, he has always been aware of this in his approach to dealing with political opponents. Perhaps we could all learn from him in this regard.
... Question about Monica Lewinsky. How was she able to work at the White House when she was only 14 years old?
She was 21 or 22 when she started the internship; it was after she graduated from college. Reagan was President when she was 14. Where did you get that "14" idea from?
In a few countries, men regard American women as creatures of low social status whose primary function is to sexually pleasure men. (Is that a better formulation?)
Why would that be, eh? Could it have something to do with the way that great American men of 'stature' treat women in an all too similar fashion?
Ok, if you think that my motivation is to protect Trump, you go right ahead. I could not be more clear in my post. If my words mean nothing then there is no more need to respond.
I said nothing of your motivation; couldn't begin to guess. This is about what's actually happening: every time someone says "whatabout" it gives Trump cover. Say "whatabout" often enough, he can outlive these investigations. Without backscrolling, I don't think I even mention you or Kurt directly until you responded. If your ears were burning, I can't do anything about it.
Well if you're frustrated that people missed your point, how do you think I feel? I'll try to distill it: This latest news cycle makes Trump look bad. If your response to that is whatabout Clinton, there are no words to express how vile I think that is. You can have Clinton. I concede the point. You see? You can't whatabout this because I conceded already. Now {everyone} stop trying to find ways to deflect.
Easier said than done. Do you know how many emails between Epstein and Clinton were on that server?!!?!
Just sayin...
I don't and don't care. Life sentences for them both, I don't care. Ball's in your court.
Sorry...obviously my sarcasm just won't play this late in the game. The server is just such a great (and ridiculous) trigger, I couldn't resist.
If you think my main point was just what about Clinton, then you still aren't getting it.
I don't think your main point was just about Clinton. I do think it was about minimizing and rationalizing Trump's exposure. As was Kurt's outrageous post about Trump being a pop icon so he gets a pass.
Ok, if you think that my motivation is to protect Trump, you go right ahead. I could not be more clear in my post. If my words mean nothing then there is no more need to respond.
If you think my main point was just what about Clinton, then you still aren't getting it.
I don't think your main point was just about Clinton. I do think it was about minimizing and rationalizing Trump's exposure. As was Kurt's outrageous post about Trump being a pop icon so he gets a pass.
Well if you're frustrated that people missed your point, how do you think I feel? I'll try to distill it: This latest news cycle makes Trump look bad. If your response to that is whatabout Clinton, there are no words to express how vile I think that is. You can have Clinton. I concede the point. You see? You can't whatabout this because I conceded already. Now {everyone} stop trying to find ways to deflect.
Easier said than done. Do you know how many emails between Epstein and Clinton were on that server?!!?!
Just sayin...
I don't and don't care. Life sentences for them both, I don't care. Ball's in your court.
Well if you're frustrated that people missed your point, how do you think I feel? I'll try to distill it: This latest news cycle makes Trump look bad. If your response to that is whatabout Clinton, there are no words to express how vile I think that is. You can have Clinton. I concede the point. You see? You can't whatabout this because I conceded already. Now {everyone} stop trying to find ways to deflect.
If you think my main point was just what about Clinton, then you still aren't getting it. Both Clinton and Trump are but 2 contact, associates, whatever who could allegedly be a client in this massive long term operation. I am more concerned with the massive long term operation and ALL those involved in the possible abuse of minors. Not just nanana Trump or Clinton was on the list. Let's count up the liberals and conservatives on the list and see who is winning. See how silly that is given the horror of the bigger picture?
Well if you're frustrated that people missed your point, how do you think I feel? I'll try to distill it: This latest news cycle makes Trump look bad. If your response to that is whatabout Clinton, there are no words to express how vile I think that is. You can have Clinton. I concede the point. You see? You can't whatabout this because I conceded already. Now {everyone} stop trying to find ways to deflect.
Easier said than done. Do you know how many emails between Epstein and Clinton were on that server?!!?!
Well if you're frustrated that people missed your point, how do you think I feel? I'll try to distill it: This latest news cycle makes Trump look bad. If your response to that is whatabout Clinton, there are no words to express how vile I think that is. You can have Clinton. I concede the point. You see? You can't whatabout this because I conceded already. Now {everyone} stop trying to find ways to deflect.
Understood and nah. I'm absolutely convinced that all of Epstein's associates are of the highest caliber, just like him.
That very well may be, just as long as you condemn them all equally regardless of their political persuasion which was my entire argument. I was never defending or judging anyone either way, I have no idea what all of these rich and powerful people were up to and sadly now we will never know. Let me break it down for you. This is an enormous story of misogyny, patriarchy, sex trafficking and a wealthy, powerful, ruling elite who thinks they are above the law. This is about a man pimping young girls (and seeing Michael Jackson and Pete Townsend on the list probably some boys too) to the ruling elite of which I include the entertainment industry because in the modern world they are part of the ruling elite as well and getting away with it in plain sight for over 25 years. Yet the public only cares about Trump or Clinton looking bad, this is why it saddens me that this is in this thread and only discussed in this context. What about the victims? Pretty sure they aren't thinking about the politics of the dirty old man on top of them.
"What about the victims? Pretty sure they aren't thinking about the politics of the dirty old man on top of them." Again, a golden opportunity to expand on your thoughtful and compassionate insights in another thread.
Understood and nah. I'm absolutely convinced that all of Epstein's associates are of the highest caliber, just like him.
That very well may be, just as long as you condemn them all equally regardless of their political persuasion which was my entire argument. I was never defending or judging anyone either way, I have no idea what all of these rich and powerful people were up to and sadly now we will never know. Let me break it down for you. This is an enormous story of misogyny, patriarchy, sex trafficking and a wealthy, powerful, ruling elite who thinks they are above the law. This is about a man pimping young girls (and seeing Michael Jackson and Pete Townsend on the list probably some boys too) to the ruling elite of which I include the entertainment industry because in the modern world they are part of the ruling elite as well and getting away with it in plain sight for over 25 years. Yet the public only cares about Trump or Clinton looking bad, this is why it saddens me that this is in this thread and only discussed in this context. What about the victims? Pretty sure they aren't thinking about the politics of the dirty old man on top of them.
"What about the victims? Pretty sure they aren't thinking about the politics of the dirty old man on top of them."
Again, a golden opportunity to expand on your thoughtful and compassionate insights in another thread.
Understood and nah. I'm absolutely convinced that all of Epstein's associates are of the highest caliber, just like him.
That very well may be, just as long as you condemn them all equally regardless of their political persuasion which was my entire argument. I was never defending or judging anyone either way, I have no idea what all of these rich and powerful people were up to and sadly now we will never know. Let me break it down for you. This is an enormous story of misogyny, patriarchy, sex trafficking and a wealthy, powerful, ruling elite who thinks they are above the law. This is about a man pimping young girls (and seeing Michael Jackson and Pete Townsend on the list probably some boys too) to the ruling elite of which I include the entertainment industry because in the modern world they are part of the ruling elite as well and getting away with it in plain sight for over 25 years. Yet the public only cares about Trump or Clinton looking bad, this is why it saddens me that this is in this thread and only discussed in this context. What about the victims? Pretty sure they aren't thinking about the politics of the dirty old man on top of them.
