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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 1:28pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Perhaps in such cases, the DA should be locked up for the same number of years the wrongfully convicted person(s) were.

 

???

three hots and a cot? where's your creativity?

how about taping his eyelids in the on position, tying him to cactus facing the sun while standing in an ant bed

and if you were extra naughty play porcupine tree in the background non-stop

after a week of that he'd get his mind right

and with the money we'd save we could comp the victim

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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 1:21pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
R_P wrote:

While the article rightly criticizes Trump for his full page ads in the Central Park 5 case and Republicans in general for their hypocrisy, neither he nor they were in any position to prosecute the Central Park 5 or Officer Van Dyke. The DA in the Central Park case was Robert Morgenthau, a prominent NY Democratic politician, and he ignored exculpatory DNA evidence while pushing thru two trials to convict the 5. Trump was a private citizen and Republicans were and are an insignificant force in the NYC power structure.

Chicago's police abuses are legendary, and laying that at the feet of Trump or Republicans is more than a stretch. Hopefully we'll see some justice in the Van Dyke case and maybe it represents a change to (rather than an exception to) the long-term trend.

There is more than enough blame to go around for the flaws in American justice. Covering for the cops is a bipartisan effort.

 
In Chicago, got to give Trumps AG and Justice Dept an after the crime assist. 
It was announced earlier in their term that they would not be going forward with Consent Decree that was to come out of the federal investigation following the LaQuan McDonald case. 
However, the IL state AG and the exiting Chicago Mayor were able to come to an agreement on a consent decree. 
Rahm had been fighting with Lisa Madigan (IL - AG)  until he announced he would not seek re-election. 
So there may be some hope if the decree gets follow up enforcement.  
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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 11:56am

 Proclivities wrote:

Yes, former DA Nifong was disbarred, mainly for withholding exculpatory evidence in that case - it was big news around here.   All of his cases had to be reviewed.  A few years ago, a man his office had convicted of murder (who had spent about 20 years in prison), had his sentence vacated because it was determined that the DA's office withheld DNA evidence which could have cleared him.
 
Perhaps in such cases, the DA should be locked up for the same number of years the wrongfully convicted person(s) were.
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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 11:52am



 steeler wrote: 

Yes.  Then there was the case of the overzealous prosecutor in Durham, NC, who pursued the case against the  Duke lacrosse players.   If I recall correctly, he was disbarred.  
 
Yes, former DA Nifong was disbarred, mainly for withholding exculpatory evidence in that case - it was big news around here.   All of his cases had to be reviewed.  A few years ago, a man his office had convicted of murder (who had spent about 20 years in prison), had his sentence vacated because it was determined that the DA's office withheld DNA evidence which could have cleared him.

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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 11:40am



 Lazy8 wrote:
R_P wrote:

While the article rightly criticizes Trump for his full page ads in the Central Park 5 case and Republicans in general for their hypocrisy, neither he nor they were in any position to prosecute the Central Park 5 or Officer Van Dyke. The DA in the Central Park case was Robert Morgenthau, a prominent NY Democratic politician, and he ignored exculpatory DNA evidence while pushing thru two trials to convict the 5. Trump was a private citizen and Republicans were and are an insignificant force in the NYC power structure.

Chicago's police abuses are legendary, and laying that at the feet of Trump or Republicans is more than a stretch. Hopefully we'll see some justice in the Van Dyke case and maybe it represents a change to (rather than an exception to) the long-term trend.

There is more than enough blame to go around for the flaws in American justice.
Covering for the cops is a bipartisan effort.
 

Yes.  Then there was the case of the overzealous prosecutor in Durham, NC, who pursued the case against the  Duke lacrosse players.   If I recall correctly, he was disbarred.  
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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 11:11am

 pigtail wrote:
Yes, but what will they do behind closed doors? (...)

Close ranks.

In 2:30 a.m. tweets, White House says FBI report supports Kavanaugh confirmation
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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 10:50am

R_P wrote:

While the article rightly criticizes Trump for his full page ads in the Central Park 5 case and Republicans in general for their hypocrisy, neither he nor they were in any position to prosecute the Central Park 5 or Officer Van Dyke. The DA in the Central Park case was Robert Morgenthau, a prominent NY Democratic politician, and he ignored exculpatory DNA evidence while pushing thru two trials to convict the 5. Trump was a private citizen and Republicans were and are an insignificant force in the NYC power structure.

Chicago's police abuses are legendary, and laying that at the feet of Trump or Republicans is more than a stretch. Hopefully we'll see some justice in the Van Dyke case and maybe it represents a change to (rather than an exception to) the long-term trend.

There is more than enough blame to go around for the flaws in American justice. Covering for the cops is a bipartisan effort.
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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 10:12am

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Yes, but what will they do behind closed doors?  We've already seen that the GOP has no backbone to stand up to this administration.  They are like the little wimp that gets their lunch money taken everyday by the big bully.  


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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 9:51am

Presumption of Innocence Is for Privileged Men Like Brett Kavanaugh, Not Laquan McDonald or the Central Park Five
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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 7:57am



 kcar wrote:


The Senate Should Not Confirm Kavanaugh
    Signed, 1,000+ Law Professors (and Counting)


 

Interesting, maybe 10% of the faculty of all law schools, but quite a representation of top schools: Yale, Harvard, UCLA, Berkeley....all 20+
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Posted: Oct 4, 2018 - 12:48am



Yale roommate says Kavanaugh lied under oath about drinking and yearbook

Washington (CNN)   James Roche, one of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's freshman year roommates at Yale, said Wednesday that Kavanaugh lied under oath about his drinking and about the meaning of his yearbook entries.


In an op-ed for Slate, Roche writes, "Brett Kavanaugh stood up under oath and lied about his drinking and about the meaning of words in his yearbook. He did so baldly, without hesitation or reservation."

"In his words and his behavior, Judge Kavanaugh has shown contempt for the truth, for the process, for the rule of law, and for accountability," Roche added. "His willingness to lie to avoid embarrassment throws doubt on his denials about the larger questions of sexual assault."

Kavanaugh testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee that he has never been blackout drunk. He was appearing before senators to answer an accusation from California professor Christine Blasey Ford that he sexually assaulted her when they were both in high school in the early 1980s. Kavanaugh denies the allegation and says he has no memory of the party where Ford says the incident happened.


Roche says he believes his friend Deborah Ramirez, who has accused Kavanaugh of exposing himself to her at a college dorm party.

He told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Wednesday night that "there is zero chance that she is making up this story."

Kavanaugh has denied Ramirez's allegation. CNN has reached out to the White House for reaction to Roche's comments.
Roche told CNN, "I saw him both what I would consider blackout drunk and also dealing with the repercussions of that in the morning."

"I didn't socialize with Brett," Roche said. "He would come home and he was incoherent, stumbling, he would sometimes be singing, he occasionally would wear this — I think it was an old leather football helmet — and he would throw up, and then in the morning would have a lot of trouble getting out of bed."

...


Roche writes he does not know if Kavanaugh attacked Ford in high school or exposed himself to Ramirez in college, "But I can say that he lied under oath."


In Roche's appearance on "Anderson Cooper 360," he said he was "shocked" when he heard Kavanaugh say "boofing" meant flatulence and "Devil's Triangle" was a drinking game, "because those words were commonly used and they were references to sexual activities. ... I heard them talking about it regularly. I think that contributed to some of my feelings about the fact that these guys treated women in a way that I didn't like."



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Posted: Oct 3, 2018 - 10:28pm



The Senate Should Not Confirm Kavanaugh
    Signed, 1,000+ Law Professors (and Counting)



The following letter will be presented to the United States Senate on Oct. 4. It will be updated as more signatures are received.

Judicial temperament is one of the most important qualities of a judge. As the Congressional Research Service explains, a judge requires “a personality that is even-handed, unbiased, impartial, courteous yet firm, and dedicated to a process, not a result.” The concern for judicial temperament dates back to our founding; in Federalist 78, titled “Judges as Guardians of the Constitution,” Alexander Hamilton expressed the need for “the integrity and moderation of the judiciary.”


...



 We regret that we feel compelled to write to you, our Senators, to provide our views that at the Senate hearings on Sept. 27, Judge Brett Kavanaugh displayed a lack of judicial temperament that would be disqualifying for any court, and certainly for elevation to the highest court of this land.

The question at issue was of course painful for anyone. But Judge Kavanaugh exhibited a lack of commitment to judicious inquiry. Instead of being open to the necessary search for accuracy, Judge Kavanaugh was repeatedly aggressive with questioners. Even in his prepared remarks, Judge Kavanaugh described the hearing as partisan, referring to it as “a calculated and orchestrated political hit,” rather than acknowledging the need for the Senate, faced with new information, to try to understand what had transpired. Instead of trying to sort out with reason and care the allegations that were raised, Judge Kavanaugh responded in an intemperate, inflammatory and partial manner, as he interrupted and, at times, was discourteous to senators.


As you know, under two statutes governing bias and recusal, judges must step aside if they are at risk of being perceived as or of being unfair.
As Congress has previously put it, a judge or justice “shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.” These statutes are part of a myriad of legal commitments to the impartiality of the judiciary, which is the cornerstone of the courts.






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Posted: Oct 3, 2018 - 5:35pm

Pivotal Republican senators blast Trump for mocking Kavanaugh accuser
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Posted: Oct 3, 2018 - 3:48am

 kurtster wrote:

What about Justice Kagan then ?  She never served as a judge at any level.

 
No, she didn't, but she was nominated to a district court by Clinton and the Republicans scheduled no hearings - Orrin Hatch I think.  Over the years, some haven't served on the bench, or only did so for brief periods.  To me it's just a preference not a requirement. 


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Posted: Oct 2, 2018 - 3:59pm

 Proclivities wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Fair enough.  My comment about wishing Feinstein had done the right thing and if the story had real legs, we could have been spared Kavanaugh.  Unfortunately, she did what she did and galvanized the Kavanaugh nomination and turned it into a political bloodbath.  There was / is no off ramp because of what she did.

FWIW I would prefer Cruz to Kavanaugh, but the guy I would have really liked was Senator Mike Lee of Utah.
 
I'd prefer the nominees were at one time judges who actually served on the bench, where a record of rulings and opinions could be more clear, though even that may not help sometimes - like very recently.    I believe Cruz and Lee both clerked for Supreme Court judges early on in their careers, but I assume a lot of members of the House and Senate probably did as well.

 
What about Justice Kagan then ?  She never served as a judge at any level.
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Posted: Oct 2, 2018 - 1:39pm



 kurtster wrote:

Fair enough.  My comment about wishing Feinstein had done the right thing and if the story had real legs, we could have been spared Kavanaugh.  Unfortunately, she did what she did and galvanized the Kavanaugh nomination and turned it into a political bloodbath.  There was / is no off ramp because of what she did.

FWIW I would prefer Cruz to Kavanaugh, but the guy I would have really liked was Senator Mike Lee of Utah.
 
I'd prefer the nominees were at one time judges who actually served on the bench, where a record of rulings and opinions could be more clear, though even that may not help sometimes - like very recently.    I believe Cruz and Lee both clerked for Supreme Court judges early on in their careers, but I assume a lot of members of the House and Senate probably did as well.
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Posted: Oct 2, 2018 - 1:29pm

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 kurtster wrote:

A) I already did state that he was my least favorite of the four finalists and why referencing the post of sird. 

B) How about Senator Ted Cruz ?
 

I'll take Cruz. Knowing what you know about me, you understand how appalling Kavanaugh is. If you got Cruz to be perfectly honest, I believe he'd tell you he's appalled by Kavanaugh as well. But like all the TeamGOP, he knows the upside of a Kavanaugh on the bench is probably going to seem "worth it." See also: Leaving the money on the nightstand.

 
Fair enough.  My comment about wishing Feinstein had done the right thing and if the story had real legs, we could have been spared Kavanaugh.  Unfortunately, she did what she did and galvanized the Kavanaugh nomination and turned it into a political bloodbath.  There was / is no off ramp because of what she did.

FWIW I would prefer Cruz to Kavanaugh, but the guy I would have really liked was Senator Mike Lee of Utah.
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Posted: Oct 2, 2018 - 9:52am

 oldviolin wrote:


 pigtail wrote:

, unless he sided with me of course.
 
What...No kiss?

;)
 
{#Heartkiss}
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Posted: Oct 2, 2018 - 9:49am



 pigtail wrote:

, unless he sided with me of course.
 
What...No kiss?

;)

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Posted: Oct 2, 2018 - 9:46am

 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Not true.  Pelosi is already talking about impeaching Kavanaugh and removing him from his present "job" based upon the Senate hearings.

Pelosi's to do list has impeach Trump, Pence and Kavanaugh on the top with raising income taxes and abolishing ICE / opening our borders tied for number two.

As the new Speaker, she would impeach her way into being POTUS.
 

I never was much into fantasy, especially when mixed with politics. Is Nancy going to make Santeria the national religion as well?

Really, you should be writing for Marvel Comics.

 
Quite honestly he SHOULD lose his current position.  He is not a judge I would like hearing my case, unless he sided with me of course.
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