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Posted: Jun 21, 2018 - 2:25pm

It's still the Russkies telling you stuff!
Russian trolls exploiting family-separation stories 'to sow discord among Americans,' senator says

Russian bots and internet trolls are stoking the U.S. debate over family separation, a Republican senator said Wednesday, dropping a bombshell into the middle of the immigration debate.

“Trolls and bots are still active on Twitter trying to deceive us. They’re even using the current family separation & immigration debate to sow discord among Americans,” Sen. James Lankford, Oklahoma Republican, said on Twitter. (...)

Mr. Lankford’s office declined to share the tweets that spurred his new warning.


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Posted: Jun 21, 2018 - 1:27am

Taxpayers have paid more than $1.5 billion in the past four years to private companies operating immigrant youth shelters accused of serious lapses in care, including neglect and sexual and physical abuse, a Reveal investigation has found.

In nearly all cases, the federal government has continued to place migrant children with the companies even after serious allegations were raised and after state inspectors cited shelters with serious deficiencies, government and other records show. (...)


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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 9:02pm

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how many people going ape shit over this have travelled? i wouldn't dare just enter even england who have major problems. respect peoples' cultures and borders. or go through the proper process to emigrate there. i've travelled with backpackers who have stayed in thailand, and go to viet nam for awhile, then return to thailand. within the rules, but i'm thinking it's cheating. 

we have no idea how many of these people have no reason to cross ILLEGALLY - how many are legitimate asylum seekers, how many are opportunists and how many are just psychopaths. these people KNOW it's illegal. stay home and go through the channels. this goes for england, canada, usa, etc. etc. 

has no one been watching the news? if even one illegal murders or commits a crime, that's one too many. i don't know why this is so controversial except to heap another pile on trump. you gotta wonder about obama's intentions pushing this nonsense through other than to create havoc. or he was really stupid AND incompetent which is possible, but i'm thinking not this time.

this gets ridiculous coverage in media. meanwhile tommy robinson languishes in jail because he dared to push back against rape gangs in england. and we all know who the rape gangs are.

respect goes both ways.  

 
Why not do some research and reading before posting? 

There will inevitably be illegal immigration when two countries have differences in their economy, politics, safety, respect for civil and human rights, etc. 
"we have no idea how many of these people have no reason to cross ILLEGALLY - how many are legitimate asylum seekers, how many are opportunists and how many are just psychopaths. these people KNOW it's illegal."
Do you really believe that people try to stay in this country illegally, living with the fear that they'll be deported or imprisoned, without a reason? That they're doing this ON A LARK? Most people illegally enter and stay in the US for economic reasons. Some are fleeing violence and lawlessness. Some are seeking asylum—which is rarely granted and requires a years-long vetting process. 

"has no one been watching the news? if even one illegal murders or commits a crime, that's one too many. i don't know why this is so controversial except to heap another pile on trump. you gotta wonder about obama's intentions pushing this nonsense through other than to create havoc. or he was really stupid AND incompetent which is possible, but i'm thinking not this time."

"if even one illegal murders or commits a crime, that's one too many."
That's about as pointless a statement as I've ever read on this forum. I've pointed kurtster to this NYT article, but I guess you're a newcomer to this thread, so here's an excerpt again: 

Few nemeses loomed larger in the narrative of Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign than the figure of the illegal immigrant who threatened Americans — one of the “rapists” and “killers” from Mexico, as Mr. Trump has put it.

Such people do exist. The Migration Policy Institute has estimated that 820,000 of the 11 million unauthorized have been convicted of a crime. About 300,000, or less than 3 percent of the 11 million undocumented, have committed felonies. (The proportion of felons in the overall population was an estimated 6 percent in 2010, according to a paper presented to the Population Association of America.)


 
So illegal immigrants commit about half the felonies that the overall US population does. And btw, the Obama administration targeted the felons among the illegal immigrant population for deportation. The reason people are angry with Trump about separation of families is because he and Stephen Miller thought that taking kids from their parents would be a good deterrent. Trump made his own mess. Please stop trying to make excuses for him. 


(BTW: do you know John Baron?  {#Whipit}   )


"meanwhile tommy robinson languishes in jail"


Tommy Robinson is English. If he's in prison right now, it's an English prison. Not relevant.

Please feel free to use the caps key when starting sentences. You can do it! 
 


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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 8:48pm

Truly disgusting.
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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 6:54pm

how many people going ape shit over this have travelled? i wouldn't dare just enter even england who have major problems. respect peoples' cultures and borders. or go through the proper process to emigrate there. i've travelled with backpackers who have stayed in thailand, and go to viet nam for awhile, then return to thailand. within the rules, but i'm thinking it's cheating. 

we have no idea how many of these people have no reason to cross ILLEGALLY - how many are legitimate asylum seekers, how many are opportunists and how many are just psychopaths. these people KNOW it's illegal. stay home and go through the channels. this goes for england, canada, usa, etc. etc. 

has no one been watching the news? if even one illegal murders or commits a crime, that's one too many. i don't know why this is so controversial except to heap another pile on trump. you gotta wonder about obama's intentions pushing this nonsense through other than to create havoc. or he was really stupid AND incompetent which is possible, but i'm thinking not this time.

this gets ridiculous coverage in media. meanwhile tommy robinson languishes in jail because he dared to push back against rape gangs in england. and we all know who the rape gangs are.

respect goes both ways.  


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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 6:33pm

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Or let Trump supporters put their money where their mouth is and open GoFundOurWall.com. Goal: 35 billion USD. Let's see how far they'd get.
 
Disclaimer: A wall might not achieve what you think it will achieve. No refunds.


 
Woah woah woah. No way Jose! 
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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 3:38pm

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Fair compromise: Put up the wall as soon as you get Mexico to pay for it.
 
Or let Trump supporters put their money where their mouth is and open GoFundOurWall.com. Goal: 35 billion USD. Let's see how far they'd get.
 
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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 3:26pm

Fair compromise: Put up the wall as soon as you get Mexico to pay for it.
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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 3:13pm

One question that keeps coming up about asylum seekers is "Why don't they just apply for asylum at the port of entry instead of crossing the border illegally?"

Well, this is why. We've made it almost impossible to prove an asylum claim at the border, and the consequence of getting turned down is a 5 year ban on trying again. Even if your claim isn't immediately turned down (as it almost always is) you will be put in detention.
 
Cross the border illegally and you have time to find an immigration lawyer and build a case. Ironically we've made it much easier to succeed if you break the law. Fix that* and a lot of the problem goes away.
 
*And by fix I don't mean make it just as difficult once you're in the country, which would probably be the Trump solution.

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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 2:46pm

Executive Order Imprisons Families Indefinitely, Inflicts Further Harm on Children


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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 2:03pm

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As for the impeachment part...we should be so lucky.

 
He would just be pictured as a martyr. First, he has to do something that loses his base.
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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 1:00pm

I am sympathetic to Team Trump's concerns over illegal immigration and high immigration rates though not at all sympathetic as to how the program is being implemented starting with the dehumanization of Latin American migrants by Trump himself.

If American borders are opened up to 'refugees', you risk a flood that will not stop.  Mexico and most of the Central American countries are in the throes of a Neo-Malthusian crisis in large part thanks to the labour supply policy of the Roman Catholic Church.

The population growth rate has been tremendous and now you have lots of young males with poor education and skill sets and poor economic prospects.   If you love violence, this is a wonderful situation.  

The long-term solution would involve removing tariff barriers to Central American countries and encourage as much economic development as is possible.  Fixing the War on Drugs might help too.  Either legalize it or start throwing upper middle class New Yorkers who sniff cocaine into jail and keep them there.  
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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 12:01pm

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thanks goodness.

this is great news. for now. great news.



 

I'm curious if this projection will play out...
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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 11:30am

That there wasn't open revolt in the INS to begin with troubles me. When something is so wrong as the issue at hand I would be heartened by that message being served up. "No sir. I need my job but I also need my humanity and I need to face my family with a clear conscience and I also need to be able to sleep at night..."
Again, the adage of Francisco Goya-

The sleep of reason produces monsters...


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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 11:25am

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Breaking:

President Donald Trump said he plans to sign an executive action on Wednesday that would end the administration’s policy of separating migrant families crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, abandoning the president’s previous stance that only Congress can fix the problem.

“The Republicans want security and insist on security for our country. And we will have that,” Trump said during a meeting at the White House with lawmakers and officials. “At the same time we have compassion and want to keep families together. It’s very important. I’ll be signing something in a little while that’s going to do that.”

 
Apparently he doesn't even have to sign anything. A simple call would be sufficient, but I guess he wants a bit of pomp.
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Posted: Jun 20, 2018 - 11:18am

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kurtster wrote:
Trump has gone on record with what he will accept and contrary to claims made here has remained consistent once these particular terms were finalized.  Congress is trying to make Trump do their job.  Trump is trying to make Congress do its own job as required by the Constitution.   He called the dems bluff on the Dreamers and caught them lying about wanting to fix it once and for all. That's how it appears to me.  If Trump picks up his pen, it will be an Aha !  Gotcha ! moment further reinforcing the authoritarian claims trying to be made against Trump and also more impeachment fodder for the cannon pointed directly at him..  It's clear that Congress will not give Trump and those who voted for him, the wall he ran on and elected him to build.  So what at this point does Trump have left to lose ?   It sure won't get him any slack with Mueller.  As far as his supporters are concerned, how many more insults can you heap on us that you haven't already said ?  We are irredeemable and anti everything that is good, right ?  We can never recover from these accusations and why should we even try anymore ?

This can all be ended in an instant.  Give us the fucking wall and the Dreamers get amnesty and this current mess on the border gets fixed.  Is that not a fair deal ?  Of course not.  The only deal y'all (the loyal resistance and the dem + repub establishment) want for Trump is the one that ends with impeachment and open borders.  Go ahead and tell me how I have this all wrong. 

President Donald Trump said he plans to sign an executive action on Wednesday that would end the administration’s policy of separating migrant families crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, abandoning the president’s previous stance that only Congress can fix the problem.

“The Republicans want security and insist on security for our country. And we will have that,” Trump said during a meeting at the White House with lawmakers and officials. “At the same time we have compassion and want to keep families together. It’s very important. I’ll be signing something in a little while that’s going to do that.”


As for the impeachment part...we should be so lucky.

 
thanks goodness.

this is great news. for now. great news.


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