Red_Dragon wrote:

The war didn't get people to forget about trump and Epstein, so now they've recruited her ("if you know what's good for you - don't forget what happened to my other wives!") to try to draw the press away from the loser felon rapist.

It'll work for today, but will ultimately be more annoying than exciting.

 kurtster wrote:
Nice pivot.

I said having an immigration law with caps was better than having no law with no caps.  You preferred open borders I guess.

We're talking about fundamentalists imposing their beliefs on a population... and the overturning of Roe v. Wade was a religiously driven campaign to remove a Constitutional right against the will of two-thirds of the country... which you support.  

That makes you in support of (and I quote:) - "a fundamentalist and that is ok as long as you do not impose your beliefs on others."

You refuse to accept that it's impossible not to be hypocritical when supporting everything Trump does.  He stands for everything...and nothing...so long as he makes money doing it.

 rgio wrote: 
Aren't you the one who said bad law is better than no law ?

 kurtster wrote:
Really?  Nearly 2/3rds of Americans were against this...

Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, ends constitutional protections for abortion

 haresfur wrote:

So you are talking about religious fundamentalists.  We have a beginning.

Pence did not declare himself a fundamentalist, you did when you simply made a value judgment based on your own beliefs.

I have no idea how old you are or what country you actually are from originally but the US went through the argument you are trying to present with JFK.  I am old enough to remember that having lived through it.  The claims made against JFK being subservient to the Vatican, et al. definitely did not pan out.  Just fear mongering partisanship is all it was.

One can be a fundamentalist and that is ok as long as you do not impose your beliefs on others.  People are gonna think what they think and feel what they feel.

It is when one aggressively proselytizes and forces their beliefs into actions against others by force I personally have a problem.  

Taking it one step further, I am not aware of any Catholics walking around saying convert or die.

Edit :  I guess that you would never vote for a Jew either.  Joe Lieberman when running for POTUS said that, I'll be your President 24 / 6.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

You are not the one asking the question.

How an evangelical mum from a town of 100 became one of the most powerful women in the US

 kurtster wrote:

Can't tell if you are taking the piss or being deliberately ignorant. Maybe start with Pence who described himself as, "
"I made a commitment to Christ. I'm a born-again, evangelical Catholic." but was still picked as trump's vice president

All of which is to say that Trump appeals to people who have trouble accepting complexity and change and seek quick easy solutions in the form of a strong leader who is a two-dimensional cut-out of their basic prejudices.  Does that do it for you?

Is Trump Christian? No. But he believes in his place on the golden throne of history and is happy to sell himself to such people to get there.

 kurtster wrote:

lord, you are just too cute for words, aren't ya?  Quick Google:

Trump receives strong support from white evangelical Christians, Pentecostals, and independent charismatic movements (such as the New Apostolic Reformation) who see him as a divinely appointed leader. These groups often embrace Christian nationalism, valuing him as a "strong man" to fight cultural battles, protect religious freedom, and support conservative social issues.

Key groups and ideologies supporting Trump include:

• White Evangelical Christians: Representing one of his most loyal bases, they often disregard his lack of traditional moral virtues, viewing him as a "King Cyrus" figure chosen by God to protect their interests.
• New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) & Charismatics: A fast-growing movement that believes in modern-day prophets and apostles. Many in this movement believe Trump is destined by God to rule and that his opponents are aligned with spiritual evil.
• Christian Nationalists: These individuals often believe America is a Christian nation, aiming for a closer union of church and state, and view Trump as the defender of Christian culture against secularism.
• Independent Charismatic Sector: This group often frames Trump's political battles in terms of spiritual warfare, interpreting his actions as a divine fight against the "end of history". Project Syndicate +6

Motivations for this support often include a perspective that traditional religious values and liberties are facing significant challenges in modern society. From this viewpoint, supporting specific political leadership is seen as a primary way to protect those interests and ensure that conservative religious principles remain influential in public life.

Not to mention the Zionists, who appear to have wrapped him around their finger.

 haresfur wrote:

Please name these fundamentalists you speak of.  

I am seriously in the dark about just exactly who or what you are referring to.  I really would like to know what I am apparently missing.

 kurtster wrote:

Good we are in agreement. But it seems to me like you support trump giving his fundamentalist supporters a pass

 haresfur wrote: 
Keep going.  I'm getting the impression that you think that I am giving some fundamentalists a pass.

 rgio wrote:

I suppose that Iran could essentially turn the payments into an insurance scheme and cut the Brits out. They could probably afford to insure the rest of the journey and make even more money

 rgio wrote:

Pam and the DOJ can pretend that her firing voids the subpoena but it was issued to cover Bondi the individual AND Bondi the AG. The DOJ is just playing games per Trump's demand. 

 haresfur wrote:
One of the reasons that very few ships are moving is that without insurance nobody is going to risk regular losses (ships sink for all sorts of reasons).  It'll take a few days... but Lloyd's and the reinsurance markets will adjust, and make more money than ever.  

Disaster is the best thing going for the insurance business.

 haresfur wrote:

From what I've seen this afternoon, it looks as if they already have.

 Red_Dragon wrote:

But they are saving money on the insurance that Lloyd's of London cancelled. Besides, does anyone think the deal will last? It seems like someone can always point to a small violation as an excuse and at the very least Israel can scuttle the deal.

two weeks!