I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. You’ve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but you’ve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. It’s not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.
can we extend that to tribalism/politics? because if we can...
Not sure. It's possible of course but probably have to be able to see the light at the end of the Kobayashi Maru. I mean tunnel...
I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. Youâve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but youâve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. Itâs not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.
can we extend that to tribalism/politics?
because if we can...
Those of you old enough might remember the horrible period in the mid 80s where we started to recognize that there was something going on - a disease where people got weird skin cancers (Kaposiâs Sarcoma) or usually benign versions of tuberculosis (avium). And it killed them - frequently young otherwise generally health people: hemophiliacs, gay men, Haitians (!?), and IV drug users. What ties them together? Some said it was Godâs vengeance, whatever that means.
Eventually, we named it GRID and then AIDS. And it was a death sentence, full stop. But that didnât prevent people from trying anything to âcure it.â And I donât blame them at all.
It took a while, but meds were tried, failed, tried, failed, tried, and then succeeded in lifting the death sentence part of the diagnosis. This is the nature of how things work, and - although there was a shameful amount of politics involved that slowed things - eventually the story of HIV infection became quite different than at the beginning.
I think thatâs a very useful template for whatâs happening with Long Covid: chaotic identification because of different presentations. Then, clunky attempts at prevention and treatment. Wild stabs at Laetrile-like treatments since âBig Pharmaâ is an easy to blame baddie, and by identifying an enemy it relieves some of the hopelessness. And, slowly, a unified theory of what weâre dealing with and the best way(s) to address it. Paxlovid is a start.
I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. Youâve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but youâve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. Itâs not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.
Those of you old enough might remember the horrible period in the mid 80s where we started to recognize that there was something going on - a disease where people got weird skin cancers (Kaposiâs Sarcoma) or usually benign versions of tuberculosis (avium). And it killed them - frequently young otherwise generally health people: hemophiliacs, gay men, Haitians (!?), and IV drug users. What ties them together? Some said it was Godâs vengeance, whatever that means.
Eventually, we named it GRID and then AIDS. And it was a death sentence, full stop. But that didnât prevent people from trying anything to âcure it.â And I donât blame them at all.
It took a while, but meds were tried, failed, tried, failed, tried, and then succeeded in lifting the death sentence part of the diagnosis. This is the nature of how things work, and - although there was a shameful amount of politics involved that slowed things - eventually the story of HIV infection became quite different than at the beginning.
I think thatâs a very useful template for whatâs happening with Long Covid: chaotic identification because of different presentations. Then, clunky attempts at prevention and treatment. Wild stabs at Laetrile-like treatments since âBig Pharmaâ is an easy to blame baddie, and by identifying an enemy it relieves some of the hopelessness. And, slowly, a unified theory of what weâre dealing with and the best way(s) to address it. Paxlovid is a start.
I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. Youâve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but youâve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. Itâs not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.
Thank you for that. Probably the most intelligent thing I've read regarding Covid since it came about.
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Dec 28, 2023 - 4:52pm
Those of you old enough might remember the horrible period in the mid 80s where we started to recognize that there was something going on - a disease where people got weird skin cancers (Kaposiâs Sarcoma) or usually benign versions of tuberculosis (avium). And it killed them - frequently young otherwise generally health people: hemophiliacs, gay men, Haitians (!?), and IV drug users. What ties them together? Some said it was Godâs vengeance, whatever that means.
Eventually, we named it GRID and then AIDS. And it was a death sentence, full stop. But that didnât prevent people from trying anything to âcure it.â And I donât blame them at all.
It took a while, but meds were tried, failed, tried, failed, tried, and then succeeded in lifting the death sentence part of the diagnosis. This is the nature of how things work, and - although there was a shameful amount of politics involved that slowed things - eventually the story of HIV infection became quite different than at the beginning.
I think thatâs a very useful template for whatâs happening with Long Covid: chaotic identification because of different presentations. Then, clunky attempts at prevention and treatment. Wild stabs at Laetrile-like treatments since âBig Pharmaâ is an easy to blame baddie, and by identifying an enemy it relieves some of the hopelessness. And, slowly, a unified theory of what weâre dealing with and the best way(s) to address it. Paxlovid is a start.
I despair at the internet spreading the ludicrous concept that every single one of the people in healthcare and research and pharmacology are All In It Together. Seriously? Think about that for a second. Youâve likely met a jerk doctor or nurse - but youâve also met a jerk car mechanic or bus driver. Itâs not the whole profession, in an organized and malevolent union designed to screw you and your family over. Understanding disease and treatment takes time - especially in the face of unintentional and intentional misinformation.
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Dec 28, 2023 - 4:16pm
black321 wrote:
Is long covid really any different than other long colds...eg epstein barr, lyme disease...
western medicine has a spotty record dealing with chronic illness and its better to look for natural remedies, herbs including Japanese Knotweed, Cats Claw, Chinese Skullcap...
Maybe to people that donât understand biology, medicine, and immunology. I mean, why listen to people that have spend their lives trying to understand how things work?
Before going into immunology and immunoglobulins and inflammation and the unknown nature of why in some people the Long Covid injury is in the brain and in others the heart and in others the lungs, letâs start super simple:
What causes inflammation? Hereâs a diagram.
Now, in a natural remedy like Japanese Knotweed, which portion of the inflammation cascade is it affecting? Does it work in large controlled studies? Is its effect more potent that the other more traditional Western medicine thatâs also being used.
Which component of it is the active chemical? After identifying it, can it be synthesized to be used independently and in a predictable amount (not just âchew on three leaves of this noxious perennialâ) - or is it dependent on another one or more co-agents thatâs in the Japanese Knotweed itself, like an enzyme or catalyst?
So, as you can tell, youâve hit a nerve with me. The internet is full of assertions, stories, and miracle cures. I can assure you that there are very very few researchers and healthcare workers that see a solution and ignore it so they can bring home a few more bucks. Most just want to do some good, not get sued, and go home.
And, if Big Pharma could take what works in the invasive Japanese Knotweed and sell it, I bet you theyâd be first out of the box to put it on the market.
Is long covid really any different than other long colds...eg epstein barr, lyme disease...
western medicine has a spotty record dealing with chronic illness and its better to look for natural remedies, herbs including Japanese Knotweed, Cats Claw, Chinese Skullcap...
Why cure when you can treat monthly... for a small fee...
Is long covid really any different than other long colds...eg epstein barr, lyme disease...
western medicine has a spotty record dealing with chronic illness and its better to look for natural remedies, herbs including Japanese Knotweed, Cats Claw, Chinese Skullcap...
Ooh. I thought I was going to have some low-grade long covid forever but the lingering symptoms faded after many months, maybe a year. I think my taster's back to normal now. But I can see how some people never fully shake it.
I assume there's going to be a vax or something coming along that's more general and not so dependent on hitting a moving target. But it will be important to clear all of these old cases finally.
A treatment used to treat acute COVID-19 infection has also been found to be effective against long COVID, a new small study has found. The research, which assessed the benefits of monoclonal antibodies, suggests relief may finally be ahead for millions of Americans with long COVID for whom treatment has remained elusive.
The study, published in the American Journal of Emergency Medicine, found three Florida patients with long COVID made complete â and sudden â recoveries after they were given the monoclonal antibody cocktail casirivimab/imdevimab (Regeneron).
this was a great read.
