FFS, they already have that awful Jack Skellington thing - a transparent creation to smear the Halloween -> Christmas period into a single "holiday." Why? So they can decorate for it at Disneyland and leave it up for an extended period. Otherwise it's put up Halloween, take down, put up T-Giving, take down, put up Christmas, take down. This way - one long continuous no-brainer "holiday."
What, you don't believe anecdotes of the older generation? For shame!!
Well I had to walk 10 miles to school in the snow and it was uphill both ways ...
We had no cassette recorders, cam corders, innernet, gopro, wikipedia, drones and cell phone cameras back then to document the minutiae of the times, so you'll just have to take my word for it.
This was brand new back then ... but you'll have to take my word on that, too, cuz I don't believe it myself ...
I could tell a 1st hand story of my experience with something and then contend that it should be policy. In fact, I think many people do. But that's not how any of us would want things decided.
There's no harm in wanting facts about things that are measurable.
What, you don't believe anecdotes of the older generation? For shame!!
I responded to your general recollections which were ok when you wrote them with my general recollections which are now under scrutiny even though islander generally found it to be true regarding my thought that most (not all) of our 'amazing infrastructure' was built by the boomer generation in the 70's and 80's. Eh ? Then I make an observation that based on my experiences, The lesson learned by me at least, is that newer is not always better ... and it always costs more when the .gov is involved. That is targeted, too. Its a personal observation, not a fact nor offered as a fact. Prove me wrong on that. Take it apart. Don't simply dismiss it.
that was being nice, now I'll go kurtster just so no one is disappointed ...
I can say that I was born in yada, and lived (so far) under US pres's from Truman to Obama and made the list from memory. But with the way y'all are working it, unless I showed my birth certificate and a linked list of all the POTUS's from the National Archives, it would only be anecdotal, and therefore meaningless in our little Ivy League debating society we have here, right ? This is where I say Fy'all , and the horses you rode in on.
How do I know that islander saw a whale on one of his cruises through the sound unless he shows me a certified picture of the whale and a picture of him taking his whale picture.
Meanwhile through this all, no one has bothered to comment on my documented fact that the first section of high speed choo choo train in California costs $100 million per mile to build. That cost bothers no one ? That is my example of .gov gone bananas. Do I need to find a peer reviewed article to say that is just plain nuts to make it a valid conclusion ? If y'all don't have a problem with fucking train tracks costing a fucking $100 million per mile, than there is no point in talking to any of yous. Y'all are fucking nuts too.
and to islander, let's go back to ignoring each other and save your fucking pixie dust stash for yourself. I tried being nice and civil with you and as usual, it gets me nowhere. You just play your silly little games, just like Richard does. Fuck you and goodnight. edit: yeah so what. The US population in 1970 was 203 million in 1990 it was 248 million. That's a growth of 25% in 20 years. Infrastructure is more than roads and bridges. In those years most of the nuclear power plants were built. The suburbs were built to accommodate the population growth and urban flight. That's new cities, roads, bridges, power grid and utility expansion and housing, lot's of new tract homes, millions upon millions of them. Now here is a little fact that most all of yous don't know. When Obama says you didn't build that, the government did ... bullshit. You know who pays for all the roads in the new housing tracts ? The developer. They must pay for and build the roads to city code and then turn them over (read give at no charge) to the cities upon completion. The cities don't pay for the roads, or the sewer and water gas and electric installation, the developer and utilities do. The cities get to maintain the roads once they take possession of them. But they are spared the primary expense of building them. The only thing I had to look up was the populations I cited. The rest I knew from being there and being the child of an architect / developer. Its true. Go ahead and look it up. This only reinforces my position that the boomer generation built most of our present infrastructure in the 70's and 80's.
Its lots more than freeways and whatnot. Maybe most of the major dams were built by the 60's, but now the greenies want to tear them down and destroy that infrastructure so the rivers can run wild again, depriving millions of drinking water and power, not to mention the devastation caused by seasonal flooding. Until 1970, most people lived in large urban areas with ancient, antiquated and compacted infrastructure. Yes we had a massive infrastructure expansion in the 70's and 80's. Little more since on the scale of those decades. Now its just trying to keep it working, and that effort has been failing miserably.
I could tell a 1st hand story of my experience with something and then contend that it should be policy. In fact, I think many people do. But that's not how any of us would want things decided.
There's no harm in wanting facts about things that are measurable.
I responded to your general recollections which were ok when you wrote them with my general recollections which are now under scrutiny even though islander generally found it to be true regarding my thought that most (not all) of our 'amazing infrastructure' was built by the boomer generation in the 70's and 80's. Eh ? Then I make an observation that based on my experiences, The lesson learned by me at least, is that newer is not always better ... and it always costs more when the .gov is involved. That is targeted, too. Its a personal observation, not a fact nor offered as a fact. Prove me wrong on that. Take it apart. Don't simply dismiss it.
that was being nice, now I'll go kurtster just so no one is disappointed ...
I can say that I was born in yada, and lived (so far) under US pres's from Truman to Obama and made the list from memory. But with the way y'all are working it, unless I showed my birth certificate and a linked list of all the POTUS's from the National Archives, it would only be anecdotal, and therefore meaningless in our little Ivy League debating society we have here, right ? This is where I say Fy'all , and the horses you rode in on.
How do I know that islander saw a whale on one of his cruises through the sound unless he shows me a certified picture of the whale and a picture of him taking his whale picture.
Meanwhile through this all, no one has bothered to comment on my documented fact that the first section of high speed choo choo train in California costs $100 million per mile to build. That cost bothers no one ? That is my example of .gov gone bananas. Do I need to find a peer reviewed article to say that is just plain nuts to make it a valid conclusion ? If y'all don't have a problem with fucking train tracks costing a fucking $100 million per mile, than there is no point in talking to any of yous. Y'all are fucking nuts too.
and to islander, let's go back to ignoring each other and save your fucking pixie dust stash for yourself. I tried being nice and civil with you and as usual, it gets me nowhere. You just play your silly little games, just like Richard does. Fuck you and goodnight. edit: yeah so what. The US population in 1970 was 203 million in 1990 it was 248 million. That's a growth of 25% in 20 years. Infrastructure is more than roads and bridges. In those years most of the nuclear power plants were built. The suburbs were built to accommodate the population growth and urban flight. That's new cities, roads, bridges, power grid and utility expansion and housing, lot's of new tract homes, millions upon millions of them. Now here is a little fact that most all of yous don't know. When Obama says you didn't build that, the government did ... bullshit. You know who pays for all the roads in the new housing tracts ? The developer. They must pay for and build the roads to city code and then turn them over (read give at no charge) to the cities upon completion. The cities don't pay for the roads, or the sewer and water gas and electric installation, the developer and utilities do. The cities get to maintain the roads once they take possession of them. But they are spared the primary expense of building them. The only thing I had to look up was the populations I cited. The rest I knew from being there and being the child of an architect / developer. Its true. Go ahead and look it up. This only reinforces my position that the boomer generation built most of our present infrastructure in the 70's and 80's.
Its lots more than freeways and whatnot. Maybe most of the major dams were built by the 60's, but now the greenies want to tear them down and destroy that infrastructure so the rivers can run wild again, depriving millions of drinking water and power, not to mention the devastation caused by seasonal flooding. Until 1970, most people lived in large urban areas with ancient, antiquated and compacted infrastructure. Yes we had a massive infrastructure expansion in the 70's and 80's. Little more since on the scale of those decades. Now its just trying to keep it working, and that effort has been failing miserably.
